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Discussion in 'Home Recording Studio' started by Cerb, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. Cerb

    Cerb Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    I tried both but I guess I could track something with only bass and drums.
     
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    This tone was completely clean.
     
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    Cerb Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    In this case it was guitar to amp to USB recording device via amp DI, then to DAW with an impulse responce for speaker and mic.
     
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    fezz parka Making a record.... Strat-Talk Supporter

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    It's very difficult to get the sound you hear in the room. Mic placement...Mic type...preamp...

    If you want to get the sound you hear...put the Mic next to your head. :)
     
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    Cerb Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Great track! When I first saw the picture I thoight you were kidding me but after about 5 seconds (I'm slow) it made complete sense. Thanks!
     
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    fezz parka Making a record.... Strat-Talk Supporter

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    I never kid about sound... :)
     
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    ido1957 Senior Stratmaster

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    "They" say get the right amp sound and record it. But what is the right amp sound ??

    Anyway, my unprofessional advice would be to get a notebook, try different settings and write them down.
    Record ten tracks (doesn't have to be perfect or the whole piece) and then compare. Pick the best and keep track of the settings for re-tracking etc. Or 20 or 30...

    It's tedious but it's what could solve your issue.
     
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    I am a sucker for some room in my guitar recordings.
     
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    fezz parka Making a record.... Strat-Talk Supporter

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    So am I. :D

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    fezz parka Making a record.... Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Great sounds too. TrueVerb gets you there too, just not as quickly.
     
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    I would use the same reverb on all the instruments (on master bus not individual track), create a space, and then apply some selective EQ.
    You EQ out the bleed over freqs from the guitar and the other instruments and give each its "space".

    The problem for me in mixing in guitar is it either stands out too much, or it's lost in the mix, as far as how it sound in the room with me, I'm more interested in how it's "playing with the rest of the instruments", it may sound great in the room with you but how does it sound when mixed in with the other instruments.

    I also use double tracks on guitars (and vocals), it's easier to apply an exciter or EQ to one track then mix the 2 until you get the correct sound.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a real audio engineer, I play one online.
     
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  13. Tone Guru

    Tone Guru Senior Stratmaster

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    You can't simulate air.
    Use a real speaker and mic.
     
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    The impulse response does a pretty good job of simulating the air, speaker, mic and room. This isn't a gear problem, it's a me-problem :D
     
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    Sell yourself and buy an American model, problem solved. :p
     
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    Cerb Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    You made me laugh out loud in public. People looked at me funny.

    I'm trying to imagine what american me would look like...

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    The first question is, are you actually capturing and reproducing the tone? With this recording setup, what's recorded excludes the amp's speaker & cabinet, and includes the DI, recording device, and monitors.

    I'd suspect the biggest part of the difference is your monitors vs. your amp's cabinet. Guitar cabs & speakers are NOT intended to have flat frequency response, not even close. I always hated recording with DI, even on bass it sounds v. different from the cabs.

    Once you're actually capturing and reproducing the tones you like, then there's a separate issue of how it sits in the mix. Good tone alone is not always the same as good tone in combination with other tones. I agree you won't hear it very well if it's occupying the same sonic spectrum as other instruments. Note that you have the power to adjust both the volume and the EQ on the other instruments, too.
     
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    Someone mentioned how each instrument has to occupy its own space. One way to do this that I think is most effective, isn't changing the EQ of the guitar to boost it. It's lowering the EQ in the other instruments...or the music track....to open up a space for the guitar. Then you get a guitar that sits IN the track, not OVER it.

    I open an EQ on the music track and even if you dont understand frequencies etc....just pull down a band in the EQ and see if that makes the guitar more up front. If it doesn't....push it back up and pull another one down. It likely will mean pulling a few down in various degrees. But the extreme of pulling one down will demonstrate it then fine adjustment can make it all sound good.

    Also using a good quality background track. Some are so compressed and not that well mixed and its difficult to deal with.

    Oh..and reverb. That tends to make it sound far away ....so...softer in the track. But a short reverb in stereo can help the guitar stand out. Or the program may have some kind of stereo simulator that can do it too.
     
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    I use a mic in front of my amps one amp plays the backing track the other plays my guitar. So what I hear is what I get. some times I will use a looper to record the backing track or the guitar track or both and play that back to see how it sounds before I record it into my Daw. I will use the looper to my pedals so I can change how the guitar sounds for different tracks one track clean the next EQ the next with effects. But I allways use a Mic into the Daw I think it is the only way to get what you hear into the track so I bought a good Mic
     
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    Seamus OReally Senior Stratmaster Silver Member

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    So, there's no microphone involved here... you're recording the direct output of the amp through a DI into the interface?

    If that's the case, you're not recording the sound you hear from the amp.
     
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