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Discussion in 'Home Recording Studio' started by Cerb, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. Cerb

    Cerb Anti conformist reformist Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Ah! I should probably have mentioned that I always use my monitors for monitoring the guitar when I use the DI for recording, the cab isn't even connected then.
     
  2. Cerb

    Cerb Anti conformist reformist Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Forgot to mention that I monitor the guitar through the monitors...
     
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    ido1957 Senior Stratmaster

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    I use a PCM80 live - that's what easily convinced me to buy the Lexicon plugins when they came out.
    Expensive but very high quality.
     
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  4. fezz parka

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    Sure you can. ;)

    To expect to record exactly what you hear in the room is a very great expectation. A 57 and a Royer 121 on the cab will not sound alike or like what you hear in the room. For that you need a nice room Mic setup...either a Decca tree or at least a mid/side Mic array somewhere in the room.

    And it still will not sound like what your ears hear in the room. Get a clear tone at a good level and a good performance that fits with the backing.

    Tone...can easily be manipulated. . Then mix. ;)
     
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  5. bluejazzoid

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    That tone was was created by Hendrix, but it was captured by the guy behind the console -- Eddie Kramer! We all know what you're trying to do, but the truth is creating a great guitar tone ---hands>guitar>amp>ears--- and capturing that same tone require very different knowledge, skills, and experience to do them equally well.

    There are only a handful of famous guitarists (that I know) who are also known for being great at recording and engineering, etc., their own recorded sound.

    *PLUS* what Fezz sez! ;)
     
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  6. fezz parka

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    @Cerb

    PM me and send me the tracks/stems. The guitar part and the backing. Make sure there's a count at the front so I can line them up in Logic. They can be mp3's.

    I'll get you close to the sound you want. :)
     
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    Do it!! It's a very illuminating exercise to hear what fezz does.
     
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    Just remember...Voodoo Chile was recorded at the Record Plant. Bassman head through (probably) a 2x12 closed back cab. An M160 in front of it, plus all the bleed in the room since it was tracked live.

    And it's not what I would call clean. :)
     
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  9. Cerb

    Cerb Anti conformist reformist Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Thank you, I will. I will just have to polish it a bit if you're going to put time on it :)
     
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    Its just for guitar reference. For Dadocaster, I remixed the whole tune with all of the stems.
     
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    Brush up more on EQing if you want to cut through the mix better :)
     
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    From Brian Wampler. Makes sense to me. Give a listen and see what you think...

     
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    Best thing he said...Use the right pedal in the context of the song.

    It's always about the song. Always.

    FWIW...The only one that fit was the TS9. And I hate TS9's. LOL
     
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    CB91710 This is a Custom Title Gold Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    The Fuzz wasn't bad once he added the EQ. Overall it was a bit more subdued and sounded good in the mix... like the difference between a Dio mix where the guitar slams you as hard as his voice, and something more pop where the attention is maintained on the singer.
    But I agree, for a strong guitar mix, the TS9 nailed it without the EQ.
     
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    The Fuzz Face sounded like crap even with the EQ. Maybe it was the guitar which was muddy to start with. Yeech. :)
     
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    First off....this was a lot of fun. :D

    This is the mixed track @Cerb sent me:



    This is after about ten minutes fiddling in logic with the stems:



    Here's a screen shot of the mixer:


    Screen shot 2019-08-17 at 6.15.25 PM.png
     
  17. Cerb

    Cerb Anti conformist reformist Strat-Talk Supporter

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    That sounds huge compared to mine, that's an eye opener! I'll try to figure out what you did tomorrow, or later today... Somehow it's already 3:40am...

    Thanks a bunch!
     
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  18. fezz parka

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    A pinch of this...a little of that...LOL

    Ambience ( varying degrees on everything)....the right amp model...octave fuzz with the fuzz turned all the way down...ADT....API eq strip...my secret weapon the Vocal Rider...L1...Aphex aural exciter...
     
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    On my computer speakers the first one sounds fine, the second sounds distorted.
     
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    Sounds fine here.
     
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