Stagger on Fender locking tuners

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  1. Baelzebub

    Baelzebub Most Honored Senior Member

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    Can anyone shed any light on why almost all staggered tuners, (that I've seen or know of) are, most often 2 long/4 short and sometimes 2 short/4 long, and yet Fender's locking tuners, as far as I've been able to tell only come in a 3/3 configuration?
     
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    Don't forget about Sperzel having a 2/2/2 config and I did, for a while have a six individual height setup by them too. Only one like that I have ever seen though.
     
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    IMO, only the three G-B-E unwound strings need staggered. Fender got it right.
     
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    Baelzebub Most Honored Senior Member

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    I'm trying to find a set of the Fender/Schaller Deluxe Staggered (2/4) tuners...someone put lockers on this Diamond Anniv. Strat and I'd like a set to keep it original. But Fender doesn't make them any more. If you see a set, gimme a shout.
     
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    Baelzebub Most Honored Senior Member

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    You miss the point. I wasn't debating what was needed, I was wondering why they sell many models stock with 2/4 staggers and the lockers only come in 3/3. Seems an odd thing..but then no one ever said Fender did anything logically.
     
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    Well, they sure did manage to get us all hooked... :whistling:
     
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    I think Hipshot and Kluson Revolution are 2/2/2, too.
     
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    Baelzebub Most Honored Senior Member

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    Yep..but you know what they say...even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes....:whistling:
     
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    Amen!
     
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    Fender/Schaller were 2+2+2
    They went to 3+3 when they moved the line to Ping.
     
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    Guess I'm not being clear. I guess you mean the FS lockers were 222?

    I just noted that fender only had the lockers in 3-3 when I was trying to replace a set of them with some original, non-locking, FS 2/4's.

    The question was:

    If the stagger has a purpose, and I believe it does, and a 2/4 was appropriate for regular tuners on so many models, why would it be that they would ONLY offer the locking ones in 3/3?

    Is there something about the lockers which obviates the need for a 4th short one?

    Or is it, as I suspect, just more arbitrary nonsense from Fender?
     
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    Likely arbitrary.
    It's really no different than 1 vs 2 string trees. The 4+2 stagger produces a similar break angle at the nut as a single string tree, while 2+2+2 is like 2 trees.
    3+3 is a compromise, IMHO, perfectly acceptable, as there is plenty of break angle on the D string with neither a tree nor a shorter post, but it's not an excessive break angle with the shorter post on the 4+2 (or two trees)
     
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    It may have something to do with the headstock thickness specs for the necks that Fender had made and what tuners they were planning to offer on them. I just put together a partscaster and the headstock was too thick to use the short Fender F locking tuners for any of the four thicker (EADG) strings. In this case I had to use 4 long and 2 short. And we are talking millimeters of thickness.
     
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    Baelzebub Most Honored Senior Member

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    Thanks Rich! Kinda what I thought. And as far as my 60th Anniversary American the lockers (3/3) do an adequate job. I just got on a kick today that I wanted the originals and they didn't come with it.. I"d probably just throw them in the case anyway, but as a Ltd. Edition, I'd like to have the option to make it all original when I sell it.
     
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    Good point. And valid in some instances, but they sell the lockers in 3/3 as replacements/upgrades for the AmPro among others, which are 2L/4S, so clearly that's not the issue there.

    But I think I"m going to stop trying to figure out the why of anything Fender does. It would appeat that that way..lies madness.... :D
     
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    PS - The Anniv. has 2L/4S AND a string tree.....:rolleyes: madness here I come...lol
     
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    Silly question....the 60th Anniversary strat model didn't come with locking tuners????

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    Are you talking about an everyday 2006 AmDeluxe Strat?

    EDIT: I just reread and realize what you are getting at.....the guitar had standard tuners and someone added the lockers.....oops....
     
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    Ever get a replacement part for something and the part doesn’t fit? The reason for the discrepancy may be purely arbitrary or maybe they got burned on the specs at some point. Who knows?

    That is cray-cray. I have 5 partscasters. I have 0 string trees. That was one of the reasons for using staggers for me.
     
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    I must be cray-cray...I thought it was the whole reason to have them...but well...Fender.....lol
     
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    Yeah...I muddled it up at first.

    Okay..so now tell me the difference between the Fender Schaller Deluxe Cast Staggered Tuners and the ones on that? Cause I can't see none. Different branding...and dropped the Deluxe? The current Fender Staggers set looks exactly the same to me? First pic are the Anniv. Second one the ones Fender sells now as replacements for the AmPro. Nutty

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