Staying in tune....this might help

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  1. Parksie

    Parksie Strat-Talker

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    I had my AVRI set up by a pro in Sydney a few months back just after I got it and I noticed that the string winding was way different than I would normally do myself.

    Th number of winds on each post was massive. I guess he used an electric string winder and wound the entire length of the string as opposed to cutting the string before winding on the post.

    Heres a pic.

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    Anyway, a few weeks ago I restring the guitar and thought I would try the same method.

    It all went well and I finished the restringing, however, ever since I did the restring the G, B and E had been going out of tune!

    It's been driving me insane due to he fact that I had to retune these strings constantly. Particularly the G.

    So yesterday I did some research on tuning and found a few comments about over winding the strings on the posts its apparently this is a big no no.

    I restrung the guitar yesterday back to the old way I normally do it i.e. with less winds on each post and so far so good.

    Jut thought I would put this info out there in case anyone else has his issue.

    Hope it helps.

    Cheers from Sydney.
     
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    sonny wolf Most Honored Senior Member

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    Interesting and cool to hear it based on actual experience comparing both methods.
     
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    But it was stable after getting it back from the tech? Very interesting...
     
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    I use as few winds as practically possible.
    Less chance for slippage.
    YMMV
     
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  5. Parksie

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    Yep exactly.

    Thats the weird thing and thats why I thought I would string it the same way.

    I don't know what I may have done differently but it was a nightmare as it refused to stay in tune.
     
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    Deebs3 Senior Stratmaster

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    Its very interesting, i read an article by Eric Johnson where he describes how he winds his strings on, pretty simple, one wrap over and 2 under, very neat, so if it works for him thats how i did it for ever, , i took my guitar to a luthier to fix something cant remember what, and he said "oh these strings are wound on wrong, you cant do that", couldn't be bothered to tell him why i did it like that, so i just let him do what he wanted for now..
     
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    stratelespaul Strat-O-Master

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    You're a bigger figure than me because if I'm spending my money I would have had the luthier do what I KNOW works for me. JMO
     
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    His method still worked, i just used mine next time i changed strings.
     
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    I use two fingers beyond the post.
    It may not be perfect, but it works and I don’t end up with a string too short…
     
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    You need just enough string to stop it slipping and/or give a good break angle over the nut. Any extra string around the post just increases the length that can stretch and hence cause tuning issues.

    That's one of the advantages of staggered locking tuners - zero excess string to stretch.
     
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  11. Parksie

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    Yep me too.

    Thats the best way I think.
     
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    chas3rd Strat-Talker Gold Supporting Member Silver Member

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    Maybe the fellow in Sydney didn’t own a side cutter…….
     
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    On my strats, I've always followed the 2.5 past the binding post rule. i.e. cut the string end off 2.5 posts past the intended binding post. it equates to roughly 3 inches string length beyond the binding post.

    The last time I had issues with tuning stability is was because the store inadvertently gave me 9-46's instead of 9-42's. and that heavy bottom E really screwed with my setup.

    quick fix though. restrung with 9-42's and all was well again.
     
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    Split pegs are great.. Only need one wrap around for wound strings.
    around 3 for unwound.
    That is overkill..

    I usually just go simple.
    No wrap over to under..

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  15. Parksie

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    Looks good!
     
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    string tree is screwed down too much. those strings can stick with too sharp of an angle. Only need it low enough to stop any rattles. Eric Johnson uses a nylon washer
     
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    For non-vintage tuners, I've always used the one over, two under method. I tend to allow for extra turns on the bottom E. Today, many of my guitars have locking tuners. I feel that they are unnecessary. But I still put a couple of wraps under, for the added downward pressure on the nut.
     
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    wound correctly.. any key becomes a locking key....

    while the winds shown in the OP's illustrations are a bit excessive, it's not gonna hurt a thing.... and sure isn't gonna slip...

    Fenderbaum's photos are more typical, but I still recommend overlapping the first turn on the plain strings.. In 1962 I was taught such by the luthier that maintained Segovia's guitars when he toured the US.. good enough for Andreas, good 'nuff for me...

    With split peg tuners.. bend a 90 degree kink then clip leaving about ¾ inch tail to go down the hole..

    and for the pedantic, I know .. that's only about 87 degrees... it's close enough...


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  19. Intune

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    Interesting, never heard that before. Eric Johnson must really not like the sharp string angle, he doesn’t use string trees! Staggered tuners on all his signatures now.
     
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    Not his number 1 Signature model. It's a prototype black one with a string tree for some reason is the one he plays the most

     
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