Strat buzzing after setup plz help ((video))

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  1. kurt91

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    Cerb Anti conformist reformist Strat-Talk Supporter

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    No, a shim will change everything, not just between the 12th and 21st frets. String buzzing with 2.5mm should be virtually non existing unless you really slam those strings hard. Are you sure the frets are level? Have you checked yourself?

    Just to male sure, you measure actuon from top of fret to bortom of string, right?
     
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    Cerb Anti conformist reformist Strat-Talk Supporter

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    No, the nut is taken out of the equation when you fret a note.
     
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    Cerb yes I've measured the height from the 12th fret to the bottom of the string
     
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    [​IMG]
    Ooh look! Pictures! :D
     
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    That's great
     
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    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

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    And a 0.5mm shim makes a lot more difference than you would think. I've found them turned round in the neck pocket, lifting the side instead of the back edge of the heel. Joy...
     
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    I'm going to play with the heel later tonight,I'm going to add a little more relief on the truss rod and add some angle to the neck pocket and see what happens
     
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    Robins Dr. von Loudster Strat-Talk Supporter

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    With strings that high no guitar can have fret buzz in any way.
    Setting up a guitar for my son it had a loose trussrod and it sounded exactly like fret buzz.
    Repair was not that easy as I thought but it worked out well. It was a Flying V from Harley Benton (Thomann).
    But it sounds great with that loose trussrod.
    I read the other day Gibson did that in the end 50s with those great Les Pauls but maybe it just adds mystery to those gems in guitar history.

    All the best,
    Robin
     
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    Hanging the guitar from the nut in one hand and giving the back of the neck a sharp slap with the other usually detects sloppily fitting truss rods. :)

    Much fun and amusement all round as you test all your friend's guitars.. :p
     
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    We will soon know with the neck shim, I suspect the higher frets.. If it is still buzzing I will do what has been suggested and put a straight edge tomorrow
     
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    Mine all do on the low E - every single electric guitar I've ever played......just a touch of it.....
     
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    This means your guitar is in DIRE need of a fret level and crown.....if it's under warranty you should be able to return it or have that work done free....
     
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    I think the problem would be solved with a fret leveling job and a good setup. But you shouldn't try to do it yourself on an expensive guitar your first time.

    You should use your baroque ruler as a fret rocker. Not the best tool for this, but it would help.

    We have overlooked a common problem on strats; the stringing. If the angle of the strings from the nut to the tuners is too slight, it will buzz. On most strats you have to wrap the strings around tuner posts with enough turns to make it right.

    You should also check for neck twist;
    put your head where the rear strap button is and try to see if all frets are parallel from each other. Then do the same from the other side, like in the picture. [​IMG]
     
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    Not once you fret a string.

    Maybe maybe not. Without seeing the guitar for myself, I couldn't possibly say what it is in dire need of. The two "luthiers" he's taken it to so far don't seem to have helped.
     
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    2.5mm action though should never buzz, should it?
     
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    Not in the normal order of things, but I know better than saying "never". :)
     
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    I set my action by eye mostly.

    First I set the bridge height so frets 12 thru 22/24 play well, as in no buzzing and easy hammer ons. Open String height doesnt matter here.

    Then I tweak the truss rod to adjust the lower fret feel to match the upper. I adjust relief until I get buzz in the first 5 frets while whacking the strings.

    So, my relief is directly proportional to how hard I strum, on average.

    It never fails.

    This assumes the nut is set correctly to start.
     
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    I think some people are jumping the gun a little bit. Yes, it could need a neck shim or a fret level. But until you post specific measurements and make adjustments in the proper order there is a lot of guess work going on here. Also there’s not a problem with measuring your action with a capo at the first fret. I actually prefer it since it removes nut actions from the equation. Just simply have to use measurement goals that account for the capo. He’s what I would suggest you do. And if you still have issues after that, readdress the problems knowing exactly what they are.
    1-adjust the tremolo springs on the back of the guitar until the bridge is touching the body of the guitar, and the bridge doesn’t lift off the body when you bend a string.
    2-Tune to pitch. capo the first fret and depress the highest fret on your Low E string. Hold the guitar like you’re playing it. Neck relief at the 7th-ish fret should be 0.12”. Adjust truss rod as needed. Remove capo.
    3-tune to pitch. Capo at first fret. Measure action at 17th fret. Set the low E to 5/64th of an inch. Set the high E to 4/64th of an inch. Use a radius gauge, the credit card method (google is your friend) or your eyeballs to make the A,D,g, and b strings match the curve of your neck.
    Check online for pictures of this.
    4-the next step is intonation setup, but you can skip this for now and do it later.
    5-Tune to pitch. Play every note on every fret and tell us which ones buzz.

    this is a rough setup, but it should be a good starting point.
     
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