Strat buzzing after setup plz help ((video))

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  1. BuffaloHound

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    You did, but I think I’ve only seen one measurement from the OP. His action was “over 2.1mm” on the low E string. I believe he was measuring @ the 12th fret without a capo. And since then he’s adjusted the truss rod and probably more. And unless I missed it I still haven’t seen a neck relief measurement.
    I posted a clear walk though of a setup taken straight from Dan Erlewine’s setup book. If the OP was to go through that it would eliminate a lot of possibly unnecessary fixes like neck shims. I believe he also mentioned taking sandpaper to his frets.
     
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    Measurements don't make a good guitar set up. The one he mentioned was plenty to go on. And it was explained why taking sandpaper to his frets wasn't a good idea. I'd been setting up guitars for 30 years before I ever heard of Dan Erlewine.

    And you don't use a capo to set up or measure the action, only the neck relief.
     
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    I posted here to help the OP setup his guitar, not to argue with you. My advice was sound.
    And I’m sure you can figure out that a capo at the first fret will eliminate incorrect nut height when looking at action. Not only is it a valid way to do it, but it’s more accurate.
     
  4. Cerb

    Cerb Anti conformist reformist Strat-Talk Supporter

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    That's one of the silliest things I've heard. Unless you always play with a capo on your first fret it defeats the entire purpose of a setup. It would be like balancing the wheels on your car without the tires on the rims for the purpose of the tires being worn.
     
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    +1 on this a capo is completely unnecessary and will give wrong results .
     
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    I still think this needs to be addressed. If it is a twisted neck, any future fret work done might be for nothing.

    There was an earlier post with pics: lay a straight edge on the headstock so it runs perpendicular to the neck, and another on the body, perpendicular to the body. Both straight edges should be parallel to one another. Sight down and see if the two straight edges are running parallel to one another or skewed.

    (I think Ron Kirn posted this trick)
     
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    I agree all this measuring is pointless if the neck is twisted. Which is hard to determine via a forum.... Even with the much coveted pictures.

    So, the OP should check that first.
     
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    Screenshot_20200527-155942_Samsung Notes.jpg ok... I know this is not a masterpiece but I couldnt find the thread that explained the process.
     
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    Here’s the top result for my silliness on google (which is your friend).

    So it’s more like balancing the wheels to Cerb’s 1974 Ford Pinto hatchback while the hubcaps are on. If you take off the hubcap, you may get a more accurate measurement.
    I don’t have the time to argue with idiots so I’m unwatching this thread and blocking you two goofballs.
     
  10. Dougeryb

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    BTW, that isnt a cactus...
     
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    Absolute jibberish and @Cerb dont drive no pinto estate probably a Volvo;) ,no need to be insulting only one idiot here your arguing with three people that have been setting up guitars in some cases for over 40 years you just don't like it because we all agree your not right. Google isn't your friend thats where your going wrong , experience is your friend .
     
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    Almost Picasso in style .
     
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    I think you don't understand the genius of adjusting the saddles height with the capo on the first fret.

    If you're looking for the minimal possible buzz-free action height at the bridge, and you have the experience doing it this way, this method is more accurate, because the nut affects the overall height, but contrary to the bridge, it doesn't help to reduce fret buzz when lifting the strings at the headstock side more than necessary. So taking it out of the equation is more accurate.

    Both methods are valid, both works.

    Talking ****e about Erlewine is useless, because he's the best.
     
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    Oh I understand the argument behind it but maintain that it's pointless.
     
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    it’s a good troubleshooting technique to rule out a bad nut. We’re way past it being a bad nut but overall it’s a valid tool to have in your setup toolbox.
     
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    Yeah, a 2003 XC70 and a 2008 Mercedes B-class diesel. The Merc gets the most use because it gets me 47 mpg if I go easy on it. The Volvo does about half of that.

    He put us on his ignore list, he didn't feel good about his google-based knowledge being challenged :whistling:
     
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    I’d say he definitely has a cactus up his arse:D
     
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    Guys I'm waiting for new strings to arrive in the mail and then I'll be removing the neck and seeing if it's twisted either way I'll be screwing on a different affinity neck that i have here.

    Thanks guys
     
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    I know right ya goof ball lol not a bad guess about the Volvo was it :D
     
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