Strat talk and rap/hip hop

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  1. Stratafied

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    That’s easy enough, just listen to it.
     
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    I'm supposed to respect your opinion after that explanation?
    I'm truly curious about why you would feel that way, and that's your childish response?
     
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    Good decision...
     
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    Class! I likee.
     
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    I love my rock music, but this will never get old for me

     
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    There once was a Strat-talk post on rap.

    It started a Beatbox avalanche of crap.

    Anger, amusement, feelings of woe

    Can’t we just stick to bashing John Mayer and Joe (Bonamassa)?
     
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    Lizzo is the real deal. Great voice, can rap well, writes her own songs and is a classically trained flautist. In fact, one of her tunes is on my list to cover. I'll likely keep that one to myself though. ;)
     
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    yes. happens a lot to me too.
     
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    This was my gateway drug:
     
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    I love hip-hop. I love musicology, too. I think there's more to it than whatever low-hanging fruit you might have in mind.

    Perhaps, for example, what's accepted as improv differs from one to another. Jazz and hip-hop are the most individual and improvisational genres in the western world. They are meant to be such. Rock music is much more rigid. Blues less so than rock, but still is much more predictable than jazz or hip-hop; is doesn't modulate or embellish its chords like jazz and hip-hop do. Frankly, musicologically, the stodgier ST audience (and the societal crossection that it ostensibly is) doesn't really celebrate the individual. They are socio-cultural traditionalists, and both the content and the form of the music reflects it.

    We're dealing with a genre that emphasizes complex, multitextured percussion and body movement, on the one hand, versus melody on the other. One thrives on things like syncopation and polyphony, the other on structure and predictability. One is a dialogue, the other's a monologue.

    One celebrates lyrical playfulness, life stories, and swag (including self-deprecating swag, e.g. Phife Dawg, the funky diabetic). Hip-hop is an ongoing challenge and show of wit and quick-thinking. The other is usually too structured to be any more playful than the script allows.

    So, even if someone is ambivalent-to-fine with the lyrical content of hip-hop artists, there are formal dynamics to consider.

    But there are basic reasons the British colonizers banned certain types of percussion among the colonized. And there's a reason Sam Phillips said he needed a white face to put on that black sound . . . the same reason Brazilians took Samba and made it Bossa Nova (a similar process happened all over the Caribbean region with Merengue, Rhumba, etc).

    Percussion stirs the passions.

    A typical "guitar player" role is somewhere between sidelined and lost in all this.
     
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    I attended a small Midwestern college for a semester, ca. 1998. The college dean included in his monthly newsletter the statement, "Rap is to music what etch-a-sketch is to art".
     
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    I've seen spectacular uses of the Etch-a-Sketch by artists.
    The dean no doubt prefers Dogs Playing Cards.
     
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    I find good stuff coming out of the UK.

    I probably think it's good because it sounds more like what I came up listening to.

    Coops, The Mouse Outfit, Ocean Wisdom I think are fantastic. There's more, but that's all I can think of off the cuff.
     
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    First Rap Song to Chart 1972

     
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    I simply do not like rap, hip hop and the like. I do not consider a DJ LP turntable a musical instrument.

    Guitars, bass guitar, keyboards maybe and acoustic drums. A vocalist is OK and optional.

    My musical mind is stuck in 60s / 70s guitar oriented rock for the most part. Some great rock in the 90s too.
     
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    Patiently waiting for someone to start the "Strat-Talk and K-pop" thread.....
     
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    Sounds good to me. ;)
     
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