Strat with no markings, logo or serial number

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  1. jackietreehorn

    jackietreehorn Strat-Talk Member

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    I’ve never heard that story. I do know you can purchase extremely high quality - often as good as if not better than what is coming out Fender - without a Fender logo and it is completely authorized by Fender - Warmoth and other companies have licensing agreements and put out extremely high quality products.
     
  2. Kingmarc1982

    Kingmarc1982 Strat-Talker

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    could be Warren Haynes stolen Red Strat
     
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    66musicmaster Senior Stratmaster

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    When I was but a young man in the early 1980s, the local music store guy would sell the cheap drum sets and sell them as "Japanese Pearl" brand. Guitars were Japanese Fender or Gibson. Which was kinda true in the case of Epiphones. BUt he would do this with Lotus, too. THis is a common ploy. Get some quesionable gear in and create a backstory that will SELL the gear.
     
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    Brand names don't exactly mean High Quality all the time. I can build a motorcycle better than any manufacturer out there...because it's mine. Personal builds are under much more scrutiny. The same goes for guitars. Most likely a partscaster, & probably waaay better than most come out of the factory built by morons that don't care about anything but their paycheck. Also, there may be some truth to the story. We never know everything that goes out the back doors. If I knew a worker at one of the factorys that would bring unbranded "mistakes" I'd be putting together some amazing guitars. JMO.
     
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    Hydr0 Senior Stratmaster

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    Like most BS stories, this one has a tiny bit of truth to it.

    for a short time Fender sold guitars without a decal, but they were Teles and it was 1951. It was due to a trademark infringement for the name Broadcaster. Guitar eventually became the Telecaster. I believe some custom shop “nocaster” guitars have been made since, but that’s it.

    Stratocaster name was never an issue, so the decals were always used on those.

    Mystery solved. :D
     
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    myredstrat Senior Stratmaster

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    That is not correct!
    They had a partial decal, Broadcaster was clipped of, but Fender was still applied to the headstock.
     
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    He surely could have used a "Senor Fendero (non-union Mexican equivalent)"
    Sticker though ?
     
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    No offense but I can tell you right now, none of those necks rolled out of FMIC run or licensed factories in the past 15 years. 12th fret dot spacing is too wide on all of them. They could have rolled out of one of the pre 2000s import manufacturers that made Squiers but they are not Fenders.
     
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    @madmat in da house! Good to see you ol' bean.
     
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    stevierayfan91 DEEPLY SHY.

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    I was puzzled as to why first post sort of insulted newer players .
     
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    I repair guitars, and in my line of work have often come across "Strat-shaped objects" that have all the bells and whistles, but were NOT made by Fender. The modular nature of bolt-on neck guitars such as the Strat makes it easy for anyone with the know-how to put together a "partscaster." Long story short, I believe you're looking at either (1) a no-name partscaster someone upgraded with genuine Fender parts, or (2) a high quality custom-built Strat-style guitar.

    However, if the guitar speaks to you, and you love how it feels, plays and sounds; then you're one lucky guy! If a guitar is well made, it does not matter what it does or does not say on the headstock.
     
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    Unless the decal he acquired is an actual Fender decal or at least he had a reasonable expectation that it was, in which case it wouldn't be a counterfeit by that standard. That's before it's placed on the guitar of course.
     
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    If you've been fooled, how would you know? :sneaky:
     
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    I think you are describing a partscaster. I don’t think Fender let guitars like that go out of the factory ever. First of all the necks get their markings on the end while they are being made, not after they are made. The date stamp happens earlier in the neck making process than you think.
     
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    But isn't the counterfeit mark a counterfeit product in and of itself. And selling that counterfeit product is an offense? Say, like selling a decal, which is its own product?

    Wouldn't the distinction be that the mark is the design while the decal is a product?
     
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    If you put a Gibson logo on a Fender, the universe would cease to exist....
     
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    Did you buy that sticker from Gibson or is the sticker counterfeit? :thumb:

    It does seem to me that the fact certain brands promote themselves via selling stickers to promote their brand at least creates the perception that they're OK with it, or at least a clever lawyer could try to make that case.
     
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