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Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by skypeace, Apr 20, 2017.
They already do
Lyposuction, boob jobs, nose jobs, permanent make up yadda yadda.
and really why not some kind of robot to massage your feet while it plays your chords for you... also a pez dispenser in the headstock. i mean wtf Fender.
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Quick mental health check. The average age of all my guitars is over 10 years.
Think of how many digital gizmos and gadgets that you have that are over 10 years old and still relevant and working.
Why would we put those in high end guitars?
I'm not saying I'd shun someone who wanted all that stuff in a guitar. But I don't think it's necessary by any means to keep the guitar relevant. What a guitar "should" or "shouldn't" have is wildly personal.
But, see....the thing is, umm, wood's not really recyclable, either. You can't, uhh..., you can't melt it down and reuse it, either.
I mean, if you wanted to, you could recycle it into heat, I guess.
...or mulch! You could definitely recycle it into mulch.
I don't think something always needs to be recyclable to be good for the environment. What happens to dead trees, for instance? I imagine the wood from dead trees probably gets broken down by termites and other bugs. The same could happen to wood from guitars that gets discarded.
Roger, but the poster I was replying to made the case against carbon fiber because it was not readily recyclable.
Wood is not, either.
Sure, it is bio-degradable, but for that to be meaningful in regards to the environmental impact of disused guitars, people who are disposing of them would have to strip the finish off and go lay them down in the woods somewhere. I'm not aware of anyone having done that, ever.
Most guitars that are disposed of are either burnt or tossed in the landfill...quite at odds with Fender's neck-plate sticker advising against that.
I'm considering getting a Strat or Tele (unfinished) Warmoth body and routing out a small pocket in the back for my Shure Wireless transmitter.
Would finish the body in Sonic Blue or Seafoam Green nitro.
Can NEVER go wrong with Sonic or Seafoam....or Daphne.
But recyclable doesn't just mean 'recyclable by us'. I mean our recycling is essentially just trying to do what nature has done since the dawn of time. Wood is THE ultimate recyclable material.
The finish would peel off and then the wood parts (and metal) would break down chemically.
CF I think stays that way.
Is wood going to do that inside a polymer-encapsulated land-fill? That is where most "disposed" guitars end up, and the landfill doesn't care if it's wood or CF, it's gonna hold what it's got.
I live in the middle of nowhere on a big plot of land. Any of my wood/paper waste either gets burned or turned into compost, but I'm probably the exception to the rule when it comes to disposing of wooden items.
Are you sure you are not talking about Gib$on?
Ah, but it is organic and breaks down naturally without adverse side effects (if it's naked wood of course) to the environment.
Did you see how Gibson's players reacted to the robotic tuning system?
I can just imagine what will happen here
What a waste.
There's totally room for a few more knobs under the tailpiece...
There is almost no old stuff that doesnt crack or split, even if it doesn't break down. If its in landfill you have goodness knows what else scraping against the body.
So yes, the wood will break down.....no question about it.
...and carbon fiber is organic, too (hence the "carbon" in the title). The stuff in carbon fiber that is not carbon is very similar to the paint that's found on a modern poly guitar.
So, again, unless you're going to strip down your wooden guitar before disposing of it in the woods somewhere, a carbon fiber and a poly-coated wooden guitar are not that different from an environmental standpoint. And, even then, what are you going to do with all the paint dust your stripped off the guitar?
Wood is a matrix of carbon, mixed with other elements that the tree picked up and assembled into cells. Carbon fiber is a matrix of carbon that man assembled in a lab. Both are coated in polymer before being turned into a guitar.
By that logic of eventuality, then, by the time the landfill hull breaks down, and everything inside it has crushed itself, the carbon fiber shell would have been crushed and ground up, as well.
If you had actually read my responses you would have seen in both that I specified the wood should be naked (unfinished)- thus, no polymer finishes, no nitrocellulose finishes, etc. As for the carbon fiber, the carbon based fabric is encased in resin (very similar to fiberglass); a polymer, a plastic, and will exist millennia after that naked wood has decayed and been soaked up into the roots of other plants. Just as a leaf is organic, if you encase it in plastic, it will last pretty much forever in the same way. Capisce?
Yes, I capisce. I capisce the heck out of it. I read your posts, and acknowledged in mine that bare wood would degrade more readily than carbon fiber. Now, let's see if you capisce, and actually read my post.
After acknowledging that bare wood would degrade more readily than a carbon fiber construct, I then took the conversation to what I saw as the next logical step, and caveated that modern guitars are not bare wood.
Even if the intent was to make them into bare wood, totally biodegradable instruments, going forward, this is a Stratocaster forum, so it's a safe assumption that most readers expect their guitar to have pickups, some solder, metal strings, probably a pickguard, some screws, etc.
The guitar that you're describing, that would auto-recycle itself, would be a hand-made, wax finished ukulele with friction tuners and gut strings. That is cool, and I'd love to have one, but I doubt many people would be down with limiting their guitar prospects to only that.
If we're comparing a handmade traditional ukulele to a ukulele made out of carbon fiber, then, yes, there is a significant evironmental difference between the two. But, if we're talking about electric guitars with modern appointments, then, not so much.