Suggestions for Strat cutting through the mix

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  1. Chicago Matt

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    +1, especially about the eq pedal. You can get fancy, but an inexpensive Boss G-7 will be your friend.
     
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    you can also throw a tube screamer type pedal in the in front of the OD to add some mid-hump and compression, which should help you cut through without getting louder.
     
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    My advice: before you try anything else, raise the volume while soloing or riffing hard.

    Do this either with a booster or, like I do, play rhythm with the guitar volume around 7-8 and roll it up to 10 while soloing or riffing. This might alter your tone too so try and see how you hear yourself.
     
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    Just skimming, it seems that most of good answers have been taken: EQ pedal, Tube Screamer, more treble at the amp, stay away from the "in-between" settings, diplomatically get others to turn it down, turn it up and let it rip ("turn everything up louder than everything else").
     
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    Fuzz pedal. I've got an "Azor 303" that is a Big Muff Pi clone and it runs $20 on Amazon that does this. So you don't need to spend a lot.




    And/Or get a Joyo American Sound. You can also plug the Joyo direct to a PA system and then you don't need to lug an amp. They run around $30.



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  7. Brian H

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    Pull down frequencies on other instruments and at some point the guitar will pop out. Turning up and sometimes increasing guitar frequencies will just add to the noise.

    Its trickier live unless youre going thru a mixer and into mains. But with two guitars it can be done along with a keyboard. And it benefits them all because they will be heard better also.

    This can all go out the window with a drummer who doesnt understand dynamics and is constantly hitting or riding cymbals. :(
     
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    As others have said you gotta put on your glasses and look at the mix to find the empty sonic space. An EQ pedal is great but won’t do much if you don’t have a targeted frequency range.
    If you don’t have the tools to do that than the standard answers are all you’re gonna get: turn up the volume, turn up the mids, turn down the OD/distortion, use a Blues Breaker, ect…
     
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    I use a wampler dB pedal that is pure clean volume boost whenever things get loud, my signal getting lost or I need to play a lead and cut thru a bit more I just step on it. Very useful little pedal
     
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    I'll start by saying I haven't read the other comments & I've never owned Fat 50's pickups.

    Now that we have that out of the way I'm assuming Fat 50's are fatter/warmer than other Strat pickups & warmer usually equals more low frequencies. That puts your Strat in direct competition with the Bass Upper end frequencies. Warmer/Fatter guitars sound great on their own but tend to get run over in the mix. If your Tele has the typical Twang that's why it cuts through.

    Likely you just need a little dial tweaking or an EQ pedal set up just for your Strat which highlights mid to high frequencies.

    Of course, I'm no pro. It's just what I've noticed in my band.
     
  11. Textele

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    Presence and midrange on your amp is where your cut resides.

    I use Fat 50's and they cut really well. Every room and band is different though. We have a sax in one of the bands and I have to re-set my amp to almost a bit of harshness played alone, but sounds great in the mix.

    Trim the gain too, the cleaner the better. Boost the upper mids on your pedals too. And VOLUME!
     
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    and right there's the answer.
    Stack too many sounds in the same freqs on top of each other and you get mud.
    Problem is getting the rest of the band to buy in and start listening to the mix as a whole and not just sit and pout about how "yer killin' mah tonz, dude".
     
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    Aim the amp at your head. :D
     
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    Absolutely the best way to have more cut in a mix?

    buy the bass player a compressor and eq.

    this is an area that page and John Pual were so very good at.

    the two used notes that made up cords together, rather than a sonic mess.

    only so much frequency response to go around. The kick competes with the bass. The bass competes with the guitar. And this is an area that takes the whole band working together to get right..

    if you just get louder, the bass will do the same. And the problem will remain. And you both, will be more than likely, be overplaying the venue volume wise. And a venue will only support so much sound pressure level before it all goes south and sounds like cha cha…


    I would work with the bass player on setting boundaries with frequency response. And working on dynamics as a band.

    just my opinion
     
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    you could always kick out the 2cnd guitarist too.
     
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    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SparkBooster--tc-electronic-spark-booster-pedal
     
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    +1 on the EQ. take out some low mids and boost up 800 to 2k, but watch the amount of those 2k and 4k bands, they can make it sound pretty nasally and sharp. If your eq has a level control, it can also bump you up if placed in the loop.
     
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    Work on the band dynamics, your greatest help will come from the band . Get an amp with plenty of headroom so you can boost your dbs. For your solos.
     
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    Example.. metal guitar lives with bass and treble accentuated. Scooped mid. And with all the pedals , s,s, amps and hi gain guitars they still wash out fairly easily in a full blown convergence.
     
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    I think Ebidis nailed it .I hated the way our lead player 's tone sounded on it's own (he set his EQ very mid rangey) . He is a amazing player and always said "A guitar is a mid instrument , it needs to sound middy to cut though". When in the context of the band his tone sounded great and never had an issue cutting through regardless of the guitar or amp he used.
     
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