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Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by PicknGrin86, Nov 2, 2011.

  1. PicknGrin86

    PicknGrin86 Strat-O-Master

    May 20, 2011
    Greenville NC
    is this truly inferior. want to hear opinions that aren't hunches

  2. mw13068

    mw13068 Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jul 29, 2009
    Ithaca, NY
    No, it's not inferior.

  3. lendryesky

    lendryesky Strat-O-Master

    Jul 18, 2010
    To sum it up:

    Some people believe that the absence of a lot of that wood leaves less wood to resonate. Others believe it doesn't really make a significant difference.

  4. stratphobic

    stratphobic -----------------------

    Jan 14, 2011
    Fort Smith, Arkansas
    The didn't make the American standard and strat plus with a swimming pool route for over a decade because it sucked

  5. nickmsmith

    nickmsmith Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jul 28, 2011
    There have been plenty of nice guitars with the swimming pool route. I don't prefer it, but it's not a deal breaker.

    EDIT: Lendryesky summed it up best. There will be a million different answers, and this thread will probably lead to someone being suspended, but the answer is as simple as that.
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  6. rickyp

    rickyp Senior Stratmaster

    May 17, 2010
    I read in a Fender Frontline magazine in early 2000 that they went back to a H-S-H routing configuration, because more wood=more resonance.
    Whether or not it is really true is beyond the ability of mankind to really know for sure. Guitar players don't have access to the kind of equipment needed to measure the resonance of a guitar body, and those that do have access to that kind of equipment aren't concerned with guitars.
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  7. nickmsmith

    nickmsmith Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jul 28, 2011
    Ya and the people who are really concerned with that should really be playing a Les Paul. Because there is a ton of routing even in the least routed tremolo strat.

  8. mw13068

    mw13068 Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jul 29, 2009
    Ithaca, NY
    To paraphrase Ron Kirn: "it matters if you think it does..."
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  9. SennaF1

    SennaF1 Senior Stratmaster

    Sep 29, 2009
    New York
    Hahah you got a point. I think it's good cause if you want 'buckers in your strat it's easy.

    The blacktop's are routed out to the max !
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  10. crawdaddy

    crawdaddy Senior Stratmaster

    Feb 11, 2010
    Valley o Sun
    I have guitars with the swimming pool and guitars with H/S/S routing and the only difference that I hear is when I'm playing acoustically. The swimming pool strat seems to be a tad bit louder and cleaner sans an amplifier.

  11. fordfanjpn

    fordfanjpn Strat-Talker

    Jul 19, 2011
    I have both, and to be honest, I can't tell any difference at all.

  12. PicknGrin86

    PicknGrin86 Strat-O-Master

    May 20, 2011
    Greenville NC
    well I've only had one strat and it's an 87 plus. although it's always sounded great... having not had any other I wondered if I was missing out on something. but honestly my strat sounds so good that I shouldn't be worried. just wanted to ask
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  13. Joshua

    Joshua Senior Stratmaster

    May 4, 2011
    Lenoir, NC
    It's right up there with special relativity and quantum mechanics.

  14. platypibri

    platypibri Senior Stratmaster

    Jun 30, 2009
    Riverside, CA
    The kind of people who worry about the "sound" of the routing also prefer batteries with logos consisting of all capital letters, oriented in landscape view and manufactured on alternating Thursdays buy a guy named Tam.

  15. Robins

    Robins Dr. von Loudster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Dec 22, 2010
    Yeah, it´s louder acoustically and you can hide things if you have to. It will be quieter than. It is great for practising without an amp but there are guitars out there not having swimming pool routing that are exactly as loud as a guitar with a swimming pool routing so I don´t know if it is really something to speak about.
    If you want your guitar being louder acoustically give it a swimming pool routing though.

    All the best,

  16. stratman in va

    stratman in va Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

    Jul 27, 2012
    There was an Ibanez guitar done that way, the Allan Holdworth model I think, with the swimming pool. From what I read he preferred that.

    As far as getting something with some loudness for practice... you might go with a semi hollow guitar like I just did !! Ibanez AS73

  17. LoWSK

    LoWSK Strat-Talker

    Apr 19, 2012
    Falmouth, MA
    I have both and cannot tell the difference.

  18. vgp001

    vgp001 Strat-O-Master

    Mar 31, 2012
    Location: Location
    The slogan at the time was "more wood = more tone."

    Fender changed to the H-S-H routing because people *****ed. It was "too different" from the way it used to be done. The retention of wood from an H-S-H route to the universal is just the bumps on the sides - not much at all....more is kept in a S-S-S, but whatever.

    People started taking apart their Strats and were "shocked" to see a big cavity in there.

    The spin at the time was that the universal route gives a more hollow, phasey popularized by Andy Summers. Also, they veneered the bodies supposedly to counteract finish sink. People then interpreted this as the glue of the veneer "dampening" tone and preventing resonance.

    Remember, this is the mid-late 90s and the internet was taking hold.

  19. Ronkirn

    Ronkirn Senior Stratmaster

    May 26, 2006
    Jacksonville, FL
    it's all in your perspective….

    ya know the difference in a swimming pool rout and a chambered body? . . . Ummmm nuthin' but promotion…

    Ron Kirn
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  20. Leebman

    Leebman Strat-Talker

    Feb 4, 2009
    E. Yorks
    Two guitars identical in looks will sound slightly different to each other, the only thing to consider is which one sounds better to you. Swimming pool route or not shouldn't effect your choice of guitar just like what it says on the headstock.