Telecaster age verification.

[El Gobernador]

It is not an original neck. Nothing about it is original. Your auction is fraudulent.

There were no veneer rosewood telecaster necks in 1961. Slab. All of them. I wrote a friend who worked at Fender. The pencil date is fine for 61. Stamps started in 62. It's the laminated fretboard and truss rod screw that has him saying it was not a 1961 neck.

He asked if it was in Europe. I said UK.
He said there are quite a few "builders" in Europe who make forgeries of pre CBS Fenders.

 

[electriceye]

It is not an original neck. Nothing about it is original. Your auction is fraudulent.

There were no veneer rosewood telecaster necks in 1961. Slab. All of them. I wrote a friend who worked at Fender. The pencil date is fine for 61. Stamps started in 62. It's the laminated fretboard and truss rod screw that has him saying it was not a 1961 neck.

It is not an original neck. Nothing about it is original. Your auction is fraudulent.

There were no veneer rosewood telecaster necks in 1961. Slab. All of them. I wrote a friend who worked at Fender. The pencil date is fine for 61. Stamps started in 62. It's the laminated fretboard and truss rod screw that has him saying it was not a 1961 neck.

He asked if it was in Europe. I said UK.
He said there are quite a few "builders" in Europe who make forgeries of pre CBS Fenders.

He asked if it was in Europe. I said UK.
He said there are quite a few "builders" in Europe who make forgeries of pre CBS Fenders.

Hi,
A guy came round who really knew his Telecaster history. He said it was definitely a Fender neck due to tool Mark's in correct place, truss rod adjuster. The bridge plate is original as are most screws. The pick ups and pots/ wiring are not, nor is the neck plate. It has clay dots. He said it has a lovely body and would put the neck.at 64 to 65. He had no idea why the rubber date stamp had been erased/ changed, but could be due to.many reasons? Maybe it was stolen back in the day and date stamp removed, it could have been sanded off to just ease the neck into the body, who knows but all else checked out
I will update info on e bay or remove it once he has come back to me with an idea of value.

Cheers all

 

[stratman323]

It is not an original neck. Nothing about it is original. Your auction is fraudulent.

There were no veneer rosewood telecaster necks in 1961. Slab. All of them. I wrote a friend who worked at Fender. The pencil date is fine for 61. Stamps started in 62. It's the laminated fretboard and truss rod screw that has him saying it was not a 1961 neck.

He asked if it was in Europe. I said UK.
He said there are quite a few "builders" in Europe who make forgeries of pre CBS Fenders.

Yes this was clearly stated earlier both by you & others. So it's hard to understand what possessed the owner to write a listing that was so clearly fraudulent & deceptive. One could speculate....

 

[stratman323]

Hi,
A guy came round who really knew his Telecaster history. He said it was definitely a Fender neck due to tool Mark's in correct place, truss rod adjuster. The bridge plate is original as are most screws. The pick ups and pots/ wiring are not, nor is the neck plate. It has clay dots. He said it has a lovely body and would put the neck.at 64 to 65. He had no idea why the rubber date stamp had been erased/ changed, but could be due to.many reasons? Maybe it was stolen back in the day and date stamp removed, it could have been sanded off to just ease the neck into the body, who knows but all else checked out
I will update info on e bay or remove it once he has come back to me with an idea of value.

Cheers all

The gentleman above, El Gobernador, really knows his Telecaster history. You can check all his posts over several decades if you want to check if he knows what he's talking about.

So who is your expert? Who is this guy who came round? Why do you choose to believe him?

 

[El Gobernador]

Toolmarks are easy to replicate.

The pencil date and the lam board tell me the forger was not as diligent as others.

Faking a pencil date is simple. A stamp date...unless you have the exact font and a 60 year old stamp...is very hard to get right.

But if you have a lam board and that decal...it ain't 61. The forger was not smart. Lazy in fact.

It's a fake. Big time.

 

[Boubou]

What is this, you have to be over 65 yo to get a Telecster?

 

[FrieAsABird]

The eBay listing says no longer for sale, but I suppose there weren’t terribly many takers at 5 thousand bucks, were there?

 

[electriceye]

The eBay listing says no longer for sale, but I suppose there weren’t terribly many takers at 5 thousand bucks, were there?

I resent the remark I was trying to be fraudulent. I came to this site for advice. This guy knows his stuff and is buying it as it is a beautiful guitar, and to be open, less than 1/2 price. Any less than that I would have kept it. NO ONE on this thread mentioned the Fender tooling holes this guy said BEFORE he removed neck. I resent the implication I am fraudulent, so I leave this forum. I thank those who made constructive remarks but am offended by so called ' know it alls'
Love, peace and happiness to all, I don't do hate. Bye

 

[electriceye]

PS if you received my previous post I listed all non Fender parts, said from.the get go it wasn't original body and came here for advice. I.am.not a fan of Teles, I like my strats but NO ONE mentioned Fender tooling holes this guy did BEFORE removing neck and 2 machine head. In no way did I EVER try to be fraudulent, if so why bother coming to this forum for advice? Goodnight Vienna

 

[electriceye]

Sorry, one machine head, and when he took it off, just where he said it would be was the hole for tooling. To be sure, he removed neck. There was, as he said it would be if genuine neck , the other tooling hole
We could also see the original screw holes for the neck plate and as he said and I posted earlier it is NOT original neck plate. Also clay dots. I am very disappointed as I came here for advice. This guy came down, hands on and everything thing he said should be there on original neck was there. Aside from which as one nice soul commented, " whatever it is a lovely instrument " just look at the ( non original ) wood grain on the body? Last time I will visit this site for advice on Strats or any other guitars.

 

[FrieAsABird]

I resent the remark I was trying to be fraudulent. I came to this site for advice. This guy knows his stuff and is buying it as it is a beautiful guitar, and to be open, less than 1/2 price. Any less than that I would have kept it. NO ONE on this thread mentioned the Fender tooling holes this guy said BEFORE he removed neck. I resent the implication I am fraudulent, so I leave this forum. I thank those who made constructive remarks but am offended by so called ' know it alls'
Love, peace and happiness to all, I don't do hate. Bye

I Never Said anything about you being fraudulent though. Maybe you’ve got some comments mixed up… Either way, fare well then!

 

[stratman323]

I resent the remark I was trying to be fraudulent. I came to this site for advice. This guy knows his stuff and is buying it as it is a beautiful guitar, and to be open, less than 1/2 price. Any less than that I would have kept it. NO ONE on this thread mentioned the Fender tooling holes this guy said BEFORE he removed neck. I resent the implication I am fraudulent, so I leave this forum. I thank those who made constructive remarks but am offended by so called ' know it alls'
Love, peace and happiness to all, I don't do hate. Bye

You came here for advice. People here gave you advice. You were told that neck could not be from 1961. You were told why, patiently. You decided to ignore that advice because you had been advised by a different expert who you refuse to identify that it was all genuine. And because this mystery person (of unknown provenance) gave you advice that you preferred, you took his advice.

And you wonder why people here question your honesty?

If you know experts who you believe know more than people on here, why waste our time looking at your guitar and spending our time trying to help you? You said "why bother coming to this forum for advice?"

Good question, why did you come to this forum for advice that you were going to ignore?

 

[El Gobernador]

And you wonder why people here question your honesty?

I do not question his honesty. I question his ignorance. I understand the wish for it to be valuable. But the red flags are so glaring, it's impossible to ignore.

There are forgers, mostly in eastern European Baltic countries, that put these out. We've debunked several right here.

Take it to TDPRI. You'll be eviscerated.

 

[marcostrumm]

I'd never seen an "oak" telecaster before, but now I have, I actually didn't mind the look, but for me it puts the authenticity in doubt My 68 these were taken in 2003 or so, don't have any with the guitar apart but my serial# is on the "F" neck plate