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Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by Fretmeltkid, Mar 27, 2019.

  1. davidwhitson

    davidwhitson Strat-Talker

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    I had a 1980 The Strat with an E0 serial number. It was an early model and hat the chrome machine heads.
    It was Candy Apple Red like the ones shown above. The head stock shape was off.
    It was an odd guitar with some cool features. The rotary switch could get some cool pickup in series combinations.
    Ultimately I couldn't get along with it and sold it to fund another purchase.
     
  2. Fretmeltkid

    Fretmeltkid Strat-Talker

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    side by side
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  4. Dan_Q

    Dan_Q Senior Stratmaster

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    Not the best pic but all I can do at the mo- this is an ‘80, has the straight line. 86C440A8-43EF-4597-83F3-F50F9F5614ED.png
     
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  5. Fretmeltkid

    Fretmeltkid Strat-Talker

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    yes thanks but I've lots of info on the std Stratocaster so not at all interested
    I just need to build info on "The Strat" variant
     
  6. John C

    John C Most Honored Senior Member

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    Both The STRAT headstocks used were small headstocks. The early style has the straight-line bottom edge; those were used in 1980-81; the second style matches the Dan Smith headstock with a very slight curve to the lower edge and that was used starting in 1982 until they were discontinued in early 1983. The straight-edge headstock is the Lead series headstock as used on Lead I, Lead II and Lead III guitars.

    Also don't go by serial number - serial numbers were all over the place back then. My '79 Lead II had an E0 serial number even though it was made in late October/early November 1979 (and purchased on Black Friday that year). Fender used the E0 headstock decals on some of these, on others they used G headstock decals,and they used them for several years. It just depends on what they had going on; the only way to really date one accurately is to check the body and neck dates. The curvier Dan Smith style headstock didn't exist until the end of 1981 when they started producing those instead of the big headstock Strat.
     
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  7. Fretmeltkid

    Fretmeltkid Strat-Talker

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    The Guitar in the Norms Video is dated 1980 and it has the small headstock so obviously around before 81
    the guitar I have here is a 1979 E0 serial number Oct/Nov manufacture with a small headstock

    Clearly no information out there other than what I already have this end
    I will post some pics on here of the guitar and see who know more about The Strat model
    its not a great time in Fender history but I would have expected a lot more detail to be out there for verification purposes
     
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    mutato Senior Stratmaster

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  9. davidwhitson

    davidwhitson Strat-Talker

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    I'm not sure what else you need to know.
     
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  10. davidwhitson

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    I got these from my copy of "The Fender Stratocaster" by A.R. Duchossoir.

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    CeltRocka Senior Stratmaster

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    Does it have really dark crappy B&W photos showing you how to do it?:whistling:
     
  12. Alan Crossley

    Alan Crossley Senior Stratmaster

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    No. You’re thinking of the motor mechanics edition. This one starts at the beginning, has a forward by Hank Marvin and has colour photography throughout, other than the stuff that’s in black and white! :D I think that I f you’re looking for a book that shows you how to do it, you need a book called Karmasutra.:oops:
     
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  13. Fretmeltkid

    Fretmeltkid Strat-Talker

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    yes i have all that documentation
    and more besides, but there is so many holes in the story it beggars belief
    The Duchossoir book barely scratches the surface

    I reckon "The Strat" had three different models, a mark 1, 2 and 3
    the small headstock seems to be across all the years from 79 to 83
    the weird headstock ran between 79 and 82

    body shapes are different too and yet I cant find any evidence from the "experts"
     
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    Fretmeltkid Strat-Talker

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    Its the headstock detail that is confusing me more than anything
     
  15. davidwhitson

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    So you have all that you need then.
     
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    no not at all !!!!
    the history of this guitar is scant to say the least
     
  18. CeltRocka

    CeltRocka Senior Stratmaster

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    Nah! the missus will want babies then:eek:
     
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    Tone Guru Senior Stratmaster

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    Given the range of variations on most Fender models of the period I would have never questioned the minor differences in those headstocks.
    They were all "weird" in comparison to the previous long-running shape.

    The only cataloged model variants were The Gold and The Walnut.
    There were also some uncataloged variations.

    I think you may be persuing a level of minutia that doesn't really have a definitive answer.
    Headstock shapes were the least of Fender's concerns of the time.

    What exactly are trying to determine ?
    If the guitar is legit ?
     
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  20. Fretmeltkid

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    yes i have a guitar here that is one thing and yet nothing at all
    I have no body routing detail
    body markings et al to go on
    some "experts" say headstock shape A is 79 to 81 some say the opposite!!!!
    I say its a fake, or some of it is!!! but cant prove it with what i have
    surely its not enough to say anything could have come out of the factory during this period?????
     
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