Theory question

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  1. FireFunkRevival

    FireFunkRevival Strat-O-Master

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    Any shortcuts to being able to remember what chords are in what keys? Easy way to remember all of this stuff?
     
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    Thrup'ny Bit Grand Master Curmudgeon

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    strat_strummer Most Honored Senior Member

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    I recommend you learn the Circle Of Fifths. Very helpful tool.
     
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    Learn to harmonize the major scale using the 1st, 3rd, 5th, and 7th degrees of that major scale.
     
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    Here is an interactive COF:

    https://randscullard.com/CircleOfFifths/

    Particularly good for skipping from key to key and modes.

    And a printable one that's a slightly different set up and has the minor keys, so probably best for your question.

    printable-circle-of-fifths-circleoffifths.jpg

    And here is a 15 minute video which will explain the answer to what chords when. Takes a few minutes for him to get into it, but it's basically just a couple slices of pie. Once you get to the point that that statement makes sense you should have a grip on it.

    Circle of Fifths Explained (For Guitar) - How to actually USE the Circle of 5ths guitar lesson - YouTube
     
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    Baelzebub Dr. Stratster

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    If you know the names of the notes of any given major scale, 1-4-5 are major chords, 2-3-6 are minor, the 7 chord is a diminished. Add 7ths/9ths, etc for flavor. and you have a basic start.

    See that video for where you find the slice of the pie for borrowed chords and how and when to use them and you'll have a greater palette to work from.
     
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  7. heltershelton

    heltershelton Vivamus libero Vivamus duris

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    there is a pattern. all major keys have this. ill write it a few different ways.
    M=maj
    m=min
    d=dim
    M m m M M(7) m d
    I ii iii IV V(7) vi vii(d)
    C d e F G(7) a b(dim)
    CM7 dm7 em7 FM7 G7 am7 bm7b5
    get the picture?
    for minor keys, start with the vi and follow the pattern (the vi becomes the i)
    i ii(dim) III iv v VI VII(7)

    edit: for the number of sharps or flats in a given key, see circle of fifths above.
    there is a pattern for that too, but im not going to explain it here. if you look close and study it, you will eventually get it.
     
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    Are you changing the chord when you add 7ths or 9ths?
     
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    heltershelton Vivamus libero Vivamus duris

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    think of it as adding stuff to oatmeal.
    some add strawberries, some add blueberries.
    its still oatmeal, but now it tastes different.
     
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    Thats hilarious. Thank you all!
     
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    Sure. But are you changing the root?



    This is a big kettle of fish. Are you ready?

    Every four note chord has two triads in it. It shows you the chord that is closely related to it.

    Example Fmaj7. FACE.

    A F major triad (FAC) and an A minor triad (ACE). These are the IV and the vi of what major chord progression?

    If you can answer this...you're ready.
     
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    Keep it simple to start with and remember that

    • I, IV and V are all major
    • ii, iii and vi are all minor
    • vii is always diminished
    Once this becomes second nature for you, the logic of chord embellishments becomes more clear.

    And if you are able to use something like CAGED to see how the chords are put together along various parts of the fretboard, it will also become more clear how easily one chord becomes another, and you can play all 7 chords of a key within a relatively small area of the fretboard.
     
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    Well...yes, there is. But saying what it is would be redundant...almost every response has said nearly the same thing:

    Study
    Practice
    Time

    Unfortunately memorization is a requirement. That takes study and time. The practice part is where it comes together.

    If you do the work you will be rewarded. This stuff will no longer be intimidating. But you need to move in a linear fashion, one small step at a time. Trying to make sense of a 'swarm of bees' coming at you is impossible.

    So the "easy" is following a usable curriculum which you are willing to adhere to. The hardest part will be putting that together.
     
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  14. FireFunkRevival

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    Not yet unfortunately. Back to the practice/study.
     
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    Here's something to chew on:

    In the key of C:
    C-D-E-F-G-A-B
    1-2-3-4-5-6-7

    The 1-3-5-7 = C-E-G-B. Cmaj7

    Now this is how the modes harmonize ( build chords):

    Take the first (1) degree, the third degree (3), the fifth degree (5) and the seventh degree (7):

    1-3-5-7 (modes are vertical)
    C-E-G-B = I Cmaj7
    D-F-A-C = ii Dm7
    E-G-B-D = iii Em7
    F-A-C-E = IV Fmaj7
    G-B-D-F = V G7
    A-C-E-G = vi Am7
    B-D-F-A = vii° Bm7b5

    So the above chord progression is built using the Ionian, Phrygian, Mixolydian and Locrian diatonic modes in the key center of C.