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  1. Bob the builder

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    The note are f,a, & C
    The low e ain't played or if you play it as a barre it's a lower f
     
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    I learned the best lessons playing with guys way better than me. They will lean over to you and say, “Try this.” And show you something fantastic. Then you play what he showed you and he jams along and you make the better player sound good. And everyone is smiling!
    Also learning your favorite songs.
    Plus practice every song 40 hours. Until it is boring and you can’t stand it anymore. Now you know the song and don’t make mistakes because it’s so easy after 40 hours of practicing the same riffs.
    I just forced this concept onto my friend Craig. And now six months later he sounds like Carlos! Remember practice everything 40 hours! You will improve drastically.
     
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    Remember!!! I would off myself if I had to practice everything 40 hours.
     
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    Not when you start to play! Everything is so familiar after massive practice.
    I have done hundreds of hours this past year.
    Then the next step is, “Everything I play sounds the same!” :)
     
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    This is not the F major scale. This is the F Lydian scale...the 4th degree/mode of the C major parent scale.

    If you were playing a I/IV/V (C-F-G) in the key of C...you could play this scale over the IV chord. F major.

    But it has nothing to do with the key of F. It's the key of C.
     
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    Anstrat what area do you live?
     
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    Sorry thought you lived in philly for some reason.
     
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    +1, to be fair I need many,many attempts before anything new sounds decent.
     
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    @Antstrat This is my wall paper on my computer. I do find it handy.

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    Another ah ha moment. It jump right out at me a soon as I saw the bolding. Thank you.
     
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    Here's another a-ha

    Cmaj7 = CEGB.

    There's two triads there. C major and Em. The I and the iii.

    Dmaj7=DFAC.

    Dm and F major. The ii and the IV.

    Em7=EGBD.

    Em and G major. The iii and the V.

    Fmaj7=FACE.

    F major and Am. The IV and the vi.

    G7=GBDF.

    G major and B dim. The V and the vii°.

    Am7=ACEG.

    Am and C major. The vi and the I.

    Bm7b5=BDFA.

    B dim and Dm. The vii° and the ii.
     
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    Nice chart. I understand what the blue and maroon markers signify. But what do the light gray and dark gray signify?
     
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    OK, been spending some time with this today and have a question or two.

    I can see clear as a bell how the 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th work with the chords in your example above.

    Fist question: you didn't pick those chords out of random, those chords come from the C major scale (best I can describe)?
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    Still haven't masted the multi quote thingy so copy and paste.

    "FGABCDE
    This is not the F major scale. This is the F Lydian scale...the 4th degree/mode of the C major parent scale.

    If you were playing a I/IV/V (C-F-G) in the key of C...you could play this scale over the IV chord. F major.

    But it has nothing to do with the key of F. It's the key of C."



    Question: I made a mistake using the F major chord which I did pick at random and applied the formula 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th.? In other words it's not a one size fits all formula? It depends on what scale you are using to determine what chords you can create?
     
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    For individual chords...There's a formula.

    What notes build chords:

    Triads

    1-3-5 = major
    1-b3-5 = minor
    1-3-b7 = 7th. (no 5)
    1-b3-b5 = dim.

    Then these:

    1-3-5-7 = major 7th, triad 1-3-7, 1-5-7
    1-b3-5-b7 = minor 7th, triad 1-b3-b7, 1-5-b7
    1-b3-b5-b7 = m7b5 (half diminished), triad 1-b5-b7
    1-b3-b5 = diminished. For a quad you can add the octave for the root or to play a Dim7 add the bb7 (6).

    Note this is for individual, stand alone chords. Harmonizing the major scale to build chord progressions is a different formula based on the modal degrees.

    Yes...those chords are harmonized from the C major scale using the 1st, 3rd, 5th, and 7th modal degrees in the key center of C major. C Ionian, E Phrygian, G Mixolydian and B Locrian.
     
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    It’s starting to click :):):)
     
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    Eventually I will figure that out. LOL. I used to have a plain circle of 5ths but when I found that circle with the scales on it I replaced the plain one. I am still learning scales. I was taught chords first. As for music theory, I have learned more here. As a kid they were notes on a staff. Here I start to see the relationships.
     
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    Get yerself some lessons. In person it makes more sense.
     
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    Can't wait for this COVID thing to go buh bye. I will be back with my instructor Saturdays at 10.
     
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