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  1. Antstrat

    Antstrat Most Honored Senior Member

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    lol, you aren’t far off! Having a good time though.
     
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    It's alot o stuff to take in.
    I'm happy with a little bit at a time so long as I get it.
    Keep filling my pocket
     
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    Thank you for this pointing this out. I've been studying theory on my own, and hadn't thought about modes this way. This is a really helpful bit of insight.
     
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    Antstrat Most Honored Senior Member

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    Have 2 questions for ya:

    arpeggio, that’s playing the 4 notes of the chord? ACEG are the 4 notes in the Am7 chord?

    Here’s where I get my Advil moments. I have the C major scale notes mapped out on a reference chart I made.

    When you post the notes of a chord I look in my chord book and they don’t match. I know you’re right, not questIoning that, so where/what am I doing wrong? I think one issue is I have way too much reference material. Do you have a particular website for chords or book you like so I can just reference that, keep me on the same page with you so I don’t have to ask you dumbass questions?
    Hope this made sense:)
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  5. Dadocaster

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    Read the notes at the bottom of the chord diagram. Some of them are open strings and are notes that are in the chord.
     
  6. Antstrat

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    Regarding the Am7, the bottom one where the 5th fret is barred?
     
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    Bowmap I nose a thang or two. Platinum Supporting Member

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    That will be good for me to practice. If I can get a clean chord using.

    Have you tried this web site? https://www.oolimo.com/guitarchords/analyze
     
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    Amstrat the most basic way of conveying how the C maj scale would be harmonized is to take a chord progression as simple as a Cmaj / Amin / Fmaj / G maj / Cmaj. All the notes in those chords are in the C maj scale.

    Take the Cmaj scale find those chords in there How?

    1st Chord is Cmaj find The note C go up in thirds you get C-E-G 1st note of scale

    2nd Chord is Amin find the note A go up in thirds you get A-C-E 6th note of scale

    3rd Chord is Fmaj find the note G go up in thirds you get F-A-C 4th note of scale

    4th Chord is G maj find the note G go up in thirds you get G-B-D 5th note of scale


    The basic blues progression is the 1st 4th and 5 note of the major scale. 1 4 5 progression
    Just to throw another.


    Every note in the major scale gets a chord.Chords are built in 3rds

    Basic cowboy or barre chords are 1,3,5 off of any note (Maj Minor or diminished)

    7th chords are 1,3,5,7 we went past 1,3,5 Lets keep building

    9th chords are 1,3,5,7,9 lets go more

    11th chords are 1,3,5,7,9,11 and one more

    13th chords are 1,3,5,7,9,11,13

    That's it there aren't any 15th chords

    You get the drift. Take any note build a basic campfire cowboy chord or a Steely Dan Jazz club martini chord.

    We can take any chord in the progression I showed above and make them maj7th,min7, maj9 maj 11th ect.

    Mix and match you are the driver.

    Any questions? please ask I'm in on a fri night.
     
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    Basic chords (maj7, min7, dom7, and m7b5) are spelled root-3rd-5th-7th

    Cmaj7 is CEGB. In most cases...It will not appear on the fretboard in that order.

    Forget the chord diagrams for the arpeggio exercise. Use the C major scale.
     
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    Where my chord book only showed 2 notes in Am7 and you said there were 4, I GET IT NOW:)

    I found this website that shows a crap ton of chord variations.

    https://www.all-guitar-chords.com/chords/identifier
     
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    That is a great resource.
     
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    Been doing that between posts, simple to follow and I actually get it.
     
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    Thanks for posting - what a great websIte!
     
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    Theory?

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    I don't expect you to do a ton of work but it would be great if you would maybe point out a progression that illustrates 2 and comment on the harmonization of a modal scale and identify the modal scale that can be played.

    A different thread would probably be needed.

    With respect to the current progression, pun intended, of the Ant thread, I am betting that there are people besides me that have an imperfect understanding of a lot of this, but since we know major, minor, the pents and, oh, hell we all know mixolydian, and can figure out arps, that use a kinda bull**** hybrid approach to all this:

    When I played trumpet, I thought in note names, on guitar, I know where my root is and intervals and have a clue as to which intervals are usually most important. When moving from chord to chord, scale to scale, I like to identify an important chord tone that moves going from chord to chord and mess with that.

    Writing tunes, it's all about knowing scales and harmonized scales. And also cheating a lot by borrowing stuff from others but that would be a topic for another thread.

    The thing is though, each piece of the puzzle does help one's playing, even if the whole puzzle does not get filled in.
     
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    Paperback Rocker Do it or screw it.

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    Will do later today.
     
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    Here’s where I’m at summary:

    Doing the C Major scale WWHWWWH
    I understand that only the CMaj scale has no sharps/flats.
    I understand the concept on how I can pick a note on the fret board and work the pattern.
    Been doing the arpeggio with the chords above (that’s kinds fun, sounds musical if that makes sense)

    I don’t quite have the notes on the fret board memorized yet but that will come with time.

    My question is, what would be the next logical step to learn that won’t make my head explode or should I just stick with what I’m doing for now? Grasping what I said above took me longer than I thought but the work was worth it:thumbd:
     
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    Take what you know and look at the Circle of 5ths and see how that tells you what you already know...(reverse engineer it).

    Then move the relative minor of C. Which is Am. Remember the relative minor of any key is the note 3 half steps back no the fretboard, and contains the same notes the major....

    C-Am, G-Em, A-Fm.

    Now know two scales..using the same notes. C and Am.

    Then start on the formulas to make a minor scale.... your major is WWHWWWH/CDEFGABC

    To make a minor scale in the same key FLAT THE 3, THE 6 AND THE 7.

    C D Eb F G Ab Bb C - that's our Cminor scale. Now..remember that Aminor is the relative minor of C major and has all the same notes?

    Watch how that happens. With WWHWWWH you A Major scale is:

    A B C# D E F# G# A - apply the flat 3,6,7 to get your Aminor scale (relative minor of C)...

    and you get A B C D E F G A !! How about that..same notes as C major!

    Working things like that backwards and forwards helps you memorized, but more importantly it helps you understand the relationships.

    Working all that out on the Circle of 5ths does the same thing.

    Have fun.
     
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    If you like that...and you spend a little time figuring out how to do stuff on it, you're gonna love this one!

    https://www.guitaristsreference.com/

    You can find every chord form up and down the keyboard and actually hear them played, or pick out some notes on the fretboard and learn what chord it is.
    You can set the fretboard up for any tuning and have all the notes displayed and do all the same things in that tuning.

    This thing is can be as little or as much as you'll ever need to learn what you want to learn. Really well done.
     
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    There's a video by Howard Morgen where he talks about landmark octaves. That's the fastest and easiest way to learn where all the G's are ( as an example).
    Pick another key center and do the same thing.