Things one discovers when setting up the guitar while listening to Zappa

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  1. amagras

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    The screws aren't all the same size[​IMG]
    Neither the springs[​IMG]
    There is a logic behind[​IMG]
    And it works great![​IMG]
     
  2. Mr. Lumbergh

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    It's a well-engineered system for sure.
    Double-check your intonation though, they usually wind up looking something like this:
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    That still doesn't look quite right; normally the D sits ahead of the G slightly. How high are the pickups when you're setting intonation?
     
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    Actually that was half the way, this is how it looks now, 0% dead centered with the Pro Tools tuner[​IMG]
     
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    Yeah, that looks good. I guess the previous pic's angle threw me off.
     
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    I'm guessing that you didn't set intonation with a capo on the first fret; you just compared the open string to fretting the 12th. If so, you'll get poor results in the first few frets.
     
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    Never tried that, please tell me more.
     
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    1st and 13th is not the proper way....that does not match scale length in any shape or form...
     
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    Paperback Rocker Do it or screw it.

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    First I've heard of this. Where did you learn this method?
     
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    It does not need to match the scale length; you could be comparing the tuning of fretting at the 2nd vs 16th, and in fact you should get an overall idea of how it plays up and down the neck to see that you don't have flat areas or sharp areas in any string, and that barre chords and octave chords are agreeable wherever on the neck they are fretted.

    The height of the nut complicates this. It's better, in my opinion, to have the open string off a bit and have everywhere else in tune. You can file away on the nut until it is the same height as a 0 fret and causes no strangeness, but you won't have any margin for future nut slot wear.
     
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    Paperback Rocker Do it or screw it.

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    This thread's getting ready to take off! :)
     
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    I've already put the popcorn in the microwave...
     
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    Why don't we just intonate at the 9th and 21st fret then?? lol
     
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    My guitar plays in tune at both the 9th and the 24th... so I suppose it is intonated there.
     
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    I've always gotten the best results by comparing the. Harmonic of the open string to the fretted note at the 12th fret. They're string doesn't even have to be in tune to be intimated. Popcorn ready yet?
     
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    Intimated.
     
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    Harmonic doesn't work for me, I always try it and never works, these pics were taken with the harmonics setup but since I play more fretted notes than harmonics...
     
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    I'm not all that interested in the technicalities of setting up a guitar. If it needs setting up or whatever i just take it to the professionals........Dont anyone dare mention Bodie & Doyle.
     
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    Which kind of makes sense. Due to the end effects of the string it is going to be slightly different tuning. The flavor of the harmonic note and other odd-order harmonics excited in the string also depend on where you pluck and where you mute.

    [​IMG]

    The sharpness of harmonics is why pianos use stretch tuning. A3=220, but A5=880 plus a little bit more, so that it doesn't have beats with the harmonics of lower notes.
     
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    Then you would have to use a capo every time you need to retune.
     
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