This proves that it's the player, not the gear.

Discussion in 'Sidewinders Bar & Grille' started by Ebidis, Mar 23, 2020.

  1. crazyrachey96

    crazyrachey96 Strat-O-Master

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    I'm gonna say this: the fact that you can hear a lot of people getting good tones out of a stock budget electric guitar mostly goes to show that your amp is more important than your guitar... which I could have told you anyway. You still won't see very many pros playing cheap guitars, and it's for a reason.


    There's no making a cheap acoustic sound good.
     
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  2. stratmatt777

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    Great point, OP!
    Too bad no one "got it".
     
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    ukoldgit Most Honored Senior Member

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    They needed one of these to get the tone out

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    Groovey Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    I can make any guitar sound like it’s being assaulted by a baboon! :thumb:
     
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    Believer7713 The Modern Day Frankenstein Strat-Talk Supporter

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    I can make a cheap guitar sound like I should pay you to take it, a good guitar sound cheap and as far as the great guitar...well most people would rather hit me over the head with it than let me play it.

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  7. dogletnoir

    dogletnoir V----V Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Recorded using a bone stock Squier Affinity that i was setting up for a neighbour.
    Made in the Indonesian Cort factory ca, 2003.
    Ceramic pickups, thin strings, and no complicated audio rig or boutique equipment
    either... just my trusty RK5 FlyRig and my Scarlett 2i2 audio interface into a desktop
    running Logic Pro X (but it could have just as easily been GarageBand).

    Bone stock Squier Bullet, FlyRig 5 'Plexi', RC-3 looper, 2i2, and GarageBand.
    No amps on either track.

    Now, i do happen to have a few pricier guitars in my quiver, LOL...
    but i could definitely gig either of those if i needed to.

    And while i would certainly agree that my 1929 L-5 was a better guitar for playing hot jazz and swing styles
    than my Recording King 'Dirty 30s' model, the Recording King does some things well enough for me to use:

    i sold the L-5 awhile back because i wasn't playing it enough to keep it healthy,
    but i still have the Recording King.

    It's not what you've got... it's what you can do with what you've got that really matters.
    But it's so much easier to focus on gear than it is to get in the shed and do the work, LOL.
     
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  8. Thunderhopkins8

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    You hit the nail right on the head
     
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    Again, it’s the player, not the gear.
     
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    The secret is the zero fret.
     
  11. crazyrachey96

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    I have to be honest... the two strat tracks sound pretty ice picky to me. I was wondering... do you have any recorded examples without the delay and reverb? Even better, do you have something with higher end single coils for A/B purposes? My argument here is not that you can't make a cheap guitar with cheap pickups sound GOOD... it's that all other things being equal you will sound BETTER with higher end stuff. If you gave SRV that squire and he plugged it into his rig it probably would have sounded good (amps matter more than guitars) but can we at least agree that the tone would not be indistinguishable from his records?
     
  12. Cerb

    Cerb Anti conformist reformist Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Interesting! What did you use when you listened? I wouldn't describe the tone as ice pickey at all but describing sound is hard and we all have different references.
     
  13. crazyrachey96

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    My work headphones, which admittedly are not great. I heard a lot of highs, but it wasn't smooth, chimey highs. I felt like if you cranked that tone loud in a live setting you'd take heads off. Also, I felt like a lot of the roundness it did have was because the sound was so wet, which is why I was wondering if he had samples with no FX on them.
     
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    Does it really matter? I suck as a player...guitars are my hobby, I love getting good gear... I am not a good shooter either, but besides of my Glocks I love some high end 1911s...they don't make me a better shooter, but they do feel great to shoot.

    I am not a race car driver, I love a great car....

    I am not a professional luthier, love my StewMac tools...

    the list goes on and on...
     
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    Y'know, a thing I noticed here. All of these guitars sound different from each other, even with the same guy playing 'em. And none of them sound like the Hello Kitty acoustic.

    The player makes the phrasing and articulation, controls pick technique, amp settings, pedals etc. but the guitars themselves each have their own voice.
     
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    Probably not with those two guitars... and i don't have access to either of them at the moment...
    but here's one of me just messing around with a jazz standard, using a different Strat with Tex Mex pickups.

    Same guitar, different context:

    the delay/reverb thing is where i usually live, LOL... sorry.
    Maybe i'll try to record something with that absent though.
    Now, 'ice picky' is one i haven't really ever heard in reference to my sound...
    generally most people think my sound is rather dark, but as @Cerb says,
    i suppose it depends on what you're listening on, and how your ears work.
    i will definitely agree that in the right hands, higher end gear can give better results though...
    or i wouldn't own any. :)
     
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    Cerb is correct. It does depend. A person can’t automatically assume that your sound is ice picky or thin, because that’s what their headphones dictated. In person, and through a much better speaker, I bet one would have a different view. Don’t let it get you down.
     
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  18. dogletnoir

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    No problem there... i believe everyone hears things in their own way, and has a right to their opinion.
    If i wasn't interested in what others have to say, i wouldn't post things in a public forum...
    but that doesn't mean i always have to agree with their opinions either.

    And as for having an 'ice picky' sound, well...

    ... it didn't seem to hold Albert Collins back career-wise, LOL.
    That's a whole lotta ice pick, and some vicious attack, but that was his thing.
    Again, de gustibus...
    :)
     
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  19. Omar

    Omar ✪✪ Miserable Old Curmudgeon ✪✪

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    @Ebidis You should Have added this..

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  20. Thunderhopkins8

    Thunderhopkins8 Senior Stratmaster

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    I agree. A wise friend told me that, “Other than our bathroom choices and who we are attracted to, music is just about the most personal thing in our lives.”- @abnormaltoy
     
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