This proves that it's the player, not the gear.

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  1. KoreGeneral

    KoreGeneral Strat-Talker

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    Well, I can say this. Back in the day I made a good player that had a fender strat plus play my first guitar which was a squire bullet strat. He missed so many notes while trying to solo...
     
  2. dogletnoir

    dogletnoir V----V Strat-Talk Supporter

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    My kind of nerd!!!
    It's all in the details sometimes.... other times it's about the big picture.
    @fezz parka knows exactly when it's going to be the one thing or the other.
    :)
     
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  3. DiamondsNRust

    DiamondsNRust Strat-Talker

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    Ha! I figured what kind of guitar is the kfc guitar anyways ? I 100% believe tone is in the hands but a good guitar can make a difference.


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  4. Hanson

    Hanson Strat-Talker

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    Being a huge Beatles fan, I realized the 335 mistake after posting the comments. It was late and I was tired and didn’t feel like going back and editing, so I went to bed.

    Besides, I figured that it would give everyone 3 more pages of material to have fun with.

    Plus the Casinos really didn’t sound that good until they sanded the finish off them.
     
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  5. lukido86

    lukido86 Strat-Talker

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    Another proof:

     
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  6. Stonetone

    Stonetone Senior Stratmaster

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    Geez they all Sound Really great, So again have to wonder How Much a Guitar $$$ has to do with Tone ???
     
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  7. Mr Dunlop

    Mr Dunlop Senior Stratmaster

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    I posted this video a few pages back.

    The squier doesnt sound bad but man that 63 Firebird is awesome!!!

     
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  8. crazyrachey96

    crazyrachey96 Strat-O-Master

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    I realize I'm beating a dead horse here, but:

    1) I can plug literally any electric guitar with any pickups into my rig and make it sound pretty good. Amps matter more than guitars where tone is concerned.

    2) I can put better pickups in a cheap guitar, and plugged into my rig it'll sound just like my stage guitars, or at least close enough so as to not matter much. Yes, I'm on that side of the tonewood debate.

    3) BUT: it's not just a matter of tone. Which guitar will be more roadworthy? Which guitar is the least likely to have issues with early fret wear? Which guitar is going to have stripped out screw holes this time next year because crappy wood? Which one is going to have the more stable neck? If it was just a matter of tone, I could buy that $99 Squire, put better electronics in it, and be happy. But it really is not that simple.
     
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  9. Stonetone

    Stonetone Senior Stratmaster

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    Yes the way i see it and Maybe My ears are not Developed enough to distinguish the differences, but For me a guitar is More about Play-ability than anything else (Looks as well :) ) tone for me comes from Processing and amplification
     
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  10. crazyrachey96

    crazyrachey96 Strat-O-Master

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    Well, I wouldn't quite go that far. Processing is just seasoning as far as I'm concerned. Your foundation is a great guitar and a great amp... period. If I can plug my guitar straight into my amp and love the sound, then there's a weakness somewhere that needs to be addressed. That's why i was asking upthread if there was any chance of hearing a guitar without the FX that were on it. Reverb and delay can artificially fatten things up quite a bit.
     
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  11. dirocyn

    dirocyn Senior Stratmaster

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    No idea what you paid retail and what you got at a fire sale, and your playing is tasty as always. I know how I'd rank them.

    My favorite is #4, it's got a hollow sound to it. If this was a cheap guitar you got very lucky.

    Second fave is # 2, which sounds pretty dark. Probably way off base, but I'm guessing humbuckers and/or shorter scale.

    Third place is #1, mostly because I like the darker sounds of #2 & 4 better. I'm guessing this is single coils and Fender scale length.

    My least favorite was #3, which was bright enough that it causes pain in my ears. I had to turn down my speakers to be able to listen through. I know I'm unusually sensitive to highs and a bit of a wuss about these things. But honestly I'm guessing that one is the most expensive, other people seem to value bright. Again I'm guessing single coils and Fender scale length.
     
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  12. dogletnoir

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    This is a true representation of what i sound like playing jazz on a strat with single coil pickups:

    No EQ, delay, or reverb added to the guitar track.
    Unfamiliar backing track, one take, no runthroughs, no punch-ins, and no do-overs.
    Using a guitar tuned a half step down from concert pitch.
    No lead sheet to refer to, either; just my mind, my ears, and my fingers.
    That's about as real as it gets.

    Expensive guitar, or cheap? Pricey boutique pickups, or low budget?
    High action, or low? Heavy gauge flatwounds, or skinny round wound strings?
    Plectrum, or fingers?
    Can you tell?

    More importantly, does any of that really matter when you listen?

    Now, i'm not addressing this to anyone in particular, but...
    here's the exact backing track i used, in case you want to have at it:

    Pick whatever gear you like... let me hear those Custom Shop Strats, because i
    actually do love the sound of them (i have both 57 and a 60 style ones myself).
    :)
    The same rules will have to apply though:
    With no EQ, delay, or reverb added to your guitar, and using this same unfamiliar track
    without a lead sheet or any other visual reference to the tune's chords or melody...
    record one single take, with no runthroughs, no punch-ins, and no do-overs.
    Then post up.
    i'm curious to see how that 'good gear' will serve you.
    :whistling:
     
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  13. davidKOS

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    No. It's the player.

    And that sort of tone doesn't hide very much, either.
     
  14. fezz parka

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    This is the guitar on #2

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    Yard sale guitar. It's an early 80' s Seville/Hondo II. The nut slots were horribly shallow. The frets needed to be leveled and crowned. The pickups are run of the mill ceramic humbucker. Probably Samick.

    On #3 its an SX Furrian. 100 dollar guitar.

    1 and 4...that's my black Strat.
     
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  15. fezz parka

    fezz parka Duke of Dilligaf Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Paul's solo on Taxman sounds pretty good.
     
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  16. Tone Deaf

    Tone Deaf Most Honored Senior Member

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    Color?
    Chicken-Fat Yellow to be sure
     
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  17. fezz parka

    fezz parka Duke of Dilligaf Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Like a taxi cab.
     
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    ‘that’s cool because I like the sound of number 2 the best.
     
  19. 3bolt79

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    Were you using flats? I really like the tone of the first one.
     
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  20. Thunderhopkins8

    Thunderhopkins8 Senior Stratmaster

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