Trouble Learning Thumb-over Hendrix & Mayer Style Stuff???

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  1. guitarchaeologist

    guitarchaeologist Le Misanthrope Silver Member

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    I have a young neighbor who comes over occasionally to play. He likes RHCP, John Mayer, Hendrix, etc. and I always stress to him how much easier it will be to play that stuff with the thumb-over F-shape chord. A few nights ago I heard Pearl Jam's Yellow Ledbetter (for the first time in a long time) and thought, oh, I should learn that. I sat and picked it out and was shocked at how simple it is- IF you know/ can use a thumb-over F-shape chord. I wish I had tried this song back when I was learning this style- it's a perfect lesson.

    Simple I-V-IV (corrected) in E- using a II-III hammer on over a root-5 barre, F-shape thumb-overs, and small fingers augmentations, and it is slow. It is quintessential Hendrix-style.
    I found a vid for those interested to show the method, but the guy doesn't explain much in the way of theory. It seems the perfect song to learn some of the Hendrix/Mayer style stuff. I turned my neighbor onto the song and he's steady working at it now. He picks things up quickly so I expect he'll master the song in a few weeks. Maybe it can help you too.

     
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    cranky Senior Stratmaster

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    It's I-V-IV isn't it?

    E B A?

    Sincerely. I'm self-taught, so I'm not sure if I'm wrong about the song or about how the numbering thing works.
     
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    guitarchaeologist Le Misanthrope Silver Member

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    Yes, you are right... typo on my part.
     
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    jonathanbarton9 Strat-Talk Member

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    Love this style - will have to learn this when I get my strat finished!
     
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    I can't do it to save my life.

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    Thanks for posting - what about for minor chords? Still thumb over? Wondering how Hendrix played those
     
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    Stratafied Most Honored Senior Member

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    He pretty much played everything thumb over.
     
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    Hendrix also had massive hands. Yes I’m sure it helps to have a large thumb for that type of bar chord. Sometimes I do it, sometimes I don’t. It’s my style not really trying to learn someone else’s style.

    My jam buddy has trouble doing bar chords so he’ll do the thumb over trick too
     
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    Thumb over is a tough one for me , somewhat short fingers.
     
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    EC Strat Senior Stratmaster Gold Supporting Member

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    If I don’t try to barre the high E and B strings and just fret the B, I’m good. If I try to barre those 2 strings it all falls apart. Everything becomes halfway muted and messy
     
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    Exactly, I also get fret buzz fretting the low E with the thumb occasionally.
     
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    EC Strat Senior Stratmaster Gold Supporting Member

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    It isn’t fair GD!
     
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    @EC Strat @Stratafied I don't have large hands or long fingers, but I manage just fine. Minor F-shape chords are more difficult for me. Sometimes I thumb-over the minors, sometimes not.
    Try playing RHCP Under the Bridge verse part... There is a change from G#m to A. It's a good way to work out the minor fingering. Give it a try.

     
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    How do you avoid unintentionally muting some of the strings?

    with the F shape chord and thumb over, my fingers have to lay down just enough to touch adjacent strings. I have a V shaped neck which is supposed to lend itself to the chord type but perhaps it’s too thick?
     
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    You'll get it. Just takes practice I suppose. In most cases I can fret the A and D strings with my ring finger to get a full six string chord. These days I am working on incorporating movable C and G shapes (smoothly) into my playing. The struggle never ends LOL
     
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    I don’t have the largest hands in the world and I’m not particularly great at this style, but I’m good enough. My advice, try to do it without thinking about as much as you can. You’ll subtly and subconsciously move your hand, wrist and arm to where you can make the stretches. Just let it flow.
     
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    That’s great!!
     
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    Here’s a cool song if you’re into lots of reverb. It’s by Link Wray but the guy doing the lesson plays with his thumb and is sliding on the fat E strings to link scales together. It’s tricky but after a few hours I got most of it down.

     
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    Physically impossible for me as I have double jointed thumbs. They bend backwards about 120 degrees but only 30 degrees forward :(