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Trying to date this Fernandes "The Function"

Discussion in 'Non-Fender S-Type Guitar Forum' started by 8barlouie, Jul 7, 2017.

  1. 8barlouie

    8barlouie Strat-Talk Member

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    From what I've been able to gather on my own, this seems to have been made anywhere from 1980 to 1984. What perplexes me is that all the other photos of "The Function" headstocks seem to be body colored. Also, the saddles aren't stamped. According to one resource, Fernandes saddles weren't plain until after 84, but then the stock would have had the drip on it unstead of the exact copy on this one.
    Finally, does anyone know what pickups came with this? Not sure what these are because I haven't taken the PG off yet, but they sound hot and a little nasal like cermic pickups sound, but they have the staggered poles like a regular wound pickup.

    Thanks for the help!
     
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  2. Tamarindo03

    Tamarindo03 Strat-Talk Member

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    It's allways a little bit difficult to date Fernandes Guitars exactly. There is a Facebook group called "fernandes japanese strat's and tele's". Join this group, post some pictures. Jon løvestad and other guys will answer your questions! :)
     
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  3. Thrup'ny Bit

    Thrup'ny Bit Guinness Powered Curmudgeon Strat-Talk Supporter

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    A guess, and only a guess, but I'd say around 1981 due to the pressed saddles and Fender shaped headstock.
     
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  5. Inverness

    Inverness Senior Stratmaster

    Dec 24, 2013
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    "Trying to date this Fernandes"


    Have you tried just asking it out? Don't be shy.

    Sorry, couldn't resist. Nice guitar.
     
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  6. 8barlouie

    8barlouie Strat-Talk Member

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    It was love at first sight.
     

  7. Will Lefeurve

    Will Lefeurve Senior Stratmaster

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    Its pre 1985, I'm pretty certain of that. Chances are you may know of this resource already, but if you don't, here's a link to Fernandes guitar catalogues, dating right back to 1973.

    http://www.fernandes.co.jp/catalog/

    I have a feeling the dating of your guitar will be somewhat approximate, but I wish you luck nonetheless.. :thumb:
     
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  8. Shredder69

    Shredder69 New Member!

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    Early 1985. I made more notes about this on your Fernandes post over at Japanaxe. Just thought I'd chime in here.
     
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  9. Shredder69

    Shredder69 New Member!

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    Main group I hang in is Fernandes - Burny Guitars, though.
     

  10. bonedust

    bonedust Strat-Talk Member

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    I'm no expert on Fernandes but a lot of MIJ guitars date by the serial number.
    Yours would be Dec 1980.
    A= Jan up to L= Dec
    0 = 80 the first digit is the year. Sometimes the first two digits.
    You can usually tell if it's 1970 or 1980 by the hardware etc.
    Earlier Fernandes had a Fender font logo. Some had 'by Burny' underneath.

    I may be corrected by someone with better experience.
     

  11. Shredder69

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    This isn't applicable for Fernandes, with the exception of first digit = last digit in year on the mid-70's guitars. L-serials are strictly sequential and contain no dating information in itself.
     
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  12. wmachine

    wmachine Strat-Talker

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    True. Furthermore, though sequential, not exactly sequential, meaning higher is usually but not always newer.
    Makes the s/n just about useless to use it for much of anything.

    Furthermore, the headstock is not a surefire way to date either because though headstock shape changes were made on models like the Revolver in starting in '86, the Fender style shown here on The Function were kept on some models into the '90s. Catalogs confirm this.
     
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  13. 8barlouie

    8barlouie Strat-Talk Member

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    @Shredder69 Thanks for the intel! Here are a few more photos. I'm really bonding with it. The cracks are in the finish only.
     

  14. Shredder69

    Shredder69 New Member!

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    Do you have any good examples of "not exactly sequential"? As far as I've seen, they are pretty much straight on with some room for production runs, several finishing stations, variants like gold/black etc. I've seen a few where neck date doesn't match assumed serial date at all, to which the circumstances would be most likely to assume parts having been swapped. The odd plate could have been lost and found, some guitars have plates taken from other guitars etc., but in general they're pretty straight.

    And yes, some think they changed the headstock on ALL their guitars, while the truth is that they had several headstocks AND decals running in parallell.
     

  15. Shredder69

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