Two point bridge question

Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by Olddogmike, Jul 7, 2021.

  1. Olddogmike

    Olddogmike Strat-Talker

    Age:
    78
    Messages:
    170
    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2020
    Location:
    Australia
    Does anyone have trouble keeping a two point bridge in tune?. All of my Fender guitars I own have the screw mounting and have not given me any tuning problems to date. I have just acquired a guitar with a two point mount which seems very touchy, I have adjusted the trem springs but its near impossible to maintain tuning. I don't use a tremalo so I am inclined just to lock it down.
     
    jbylake likes this.
  2. nadzab

    nadzab Play Don't Worry Silver Member

    Age:
    53
    Messages:
    5,222
    Joined:
    May 15, 2009
    Location:
    New England
    99% chance it has nothing to do with the bridge...99% chance the nut slots need attention, and decking the tremolo will not help.
     
    Ebidis, Ruscio, Martins Strat and 3 others like this.
  3. trapdoor2

    trapdoor2 Senior Stratmaster Gold Supporting Member

    Age:
    64
    Messages:
    1,756
    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2017
    Location:
    South Carolina
    I insisted on a 2-pt for my HSS (I never liked my brother's 6-pt). I like fairly light strings (Hybrid-Slinky Ernie Ball) and I found that I needed four trem springs to achieve a good balance and tuning stability. Yes, the nut is critical...attack that first.

    And...

    In the end, I chose to block it rather than deck it. I just don't use the trem. Next build I'll just go hardtail.
     
  4. CattleDog73

    CattleDog73 Strat-Talker

    Age:
    48
    Messages:
    283
    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2020
    Location:
    MA
    Agree - after a little love with the nut slots (mostly some lubricant) my 2 points are as rock solid as my 6 screws.
     
    Colnago1 likes this.
  5. Stratafied

    Stratafied Most Honored Senior Member

    Age:
    69
    Messages:
    9,170
    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2019
    Location:
    North of South
    I have a two point, I tried floating numerous times , no success used graphite on the nut . I now have it decked, I can still work it enough for what I do , and it stays in tune.
     
  6. Colnago1

    Colnago1 Senior Stratmaster

    Messages:
    1,174
    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2014
    Location:
    Where am I?
    Go through the complete 2 point tremolo set up process after tending to the nut and you should have no issues keeping it in tune.
     
    Miotch likes this.
  7. Odysseus

    Odysseus Strat-O-Master

    Messages:
    655
    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2012
    Location:
    Lisbon, Portugal
    I've never had any problems keeping the two-point trem in tune. I currently have two. I did have a six-point which I found less stable, so as others have said I suspect that the trem is not the problem.
     
    Miotch likes this.
  8. Monkey

    Monkey Strat-Talker

    Age:
    70
    Messages:
    103
    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2020
    Location:
    nottingham uk
    try a little cork crease in the string slots at the nut.
     
  9. Fenderbaum

    Fenderbaum Strat-O-Master

    Age:
    40
    Messages:
    613
    Joined:
    Aug 11, 2020
    Location:
    Bergen, Norway
    Best way i found was locking tuners. Well cut nut, wilkinson locking sadles on std trem.
    That was as far as i could go before you go Floyd Rose.
    She refuse to go out of tune now.
     
  10. PCollen

    PCollen Senior Stratmaster Silver Member

    Messages:
    3,019
    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2014
    Location:
    Florida
    This ^.....
     
    Colnago1 likes this.
  11. Bladesg

    Bladesg Funk Meister Silver Member

    Messages:
    3,325
    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2013
    Location:
    Australia
    Get the nut filed and if you don't use the trem then I'd deck the bridge with 5 springs.
     
  12. jvin248

    jvin248 Senior Stratmaster

    Messages:
    4,771
    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2014
    Location:
    Michigan
    .

    Did you upsize the strings? Binding at the nut can happen.

    Avoid greases as they attract grit and dirt that increase friction over time. Clean out the nut slots and use dry graphite 'lock lube' or a #2 pencil. Use it on all the other contact points. If you bought the $2 tube of 'lock lube' then go around and actually use it on the locks in your house.

    Inspect the contact points of any string trees (there are surprisingly frequent burrs snagging strings there), the saddles, and where strings slip into the bridge plate and trem block.

    If you just put new strings on the guitar remember they will 'stretch' for a while and cause tuning issues.

    .
     
    SalvorHardin likes this.
  13. heltershelton

    heltershelton Vivamus libero Vivamus duris Silver Member

    Messages:
    30,568
    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2013
    Location:
    Texas
    this is the way.....(imo)
     
    Colnago1 and greezy strings like this.
  14. Olddogmike

    Olddogmike Strat-Talker

    Age:
    78
    Messages:
    170
    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2020
    Location:
    Australia
    You have hit the nail on the head, I did upgrade the strings from 10s to 11s that's probably the answer.
     
    Exhead likes this.
  15. Axis29

    Axis29 Strat-O-Master

    Age:
    53
    Messages:
    779
    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2007
    Location:
    Beaumont. California
    I had a ClassiC Player 50's Strat with the two point trem for a number of years and never had an issue, once I sorted out the nut. Same with any 6 point trem Strats and my Bigsby'd guitars, too.

    Anytime I hear anyone talk about tuning issues, the first step is to look at the nut.

    The second step is to see how many wraps they have on the tuners. The fewer wraps, the better. I think this is the one real advantage of locking tuners, guys tend to put less string around them.
     
    Colnago1 likes this.
  16. Slacker G

    Slacker G Strat-O-Master

    Age:
    80
    Messages:
    583
    Joined:
    May 16, 2021
    Location:
    Iowa
    I prefer to use lard.
     
  17. Exhead

    Exhead Senior Stratmaster

    Messages:
    1,244
    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2014
    Location:
    Temples of Syrinx
    Cork Crease?
     
    Ebidis likes this.
  18. Miotch

    Miotch Senior Stratmaster

    Age:
    60
    Messages:
    4,587
    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2011
    Location:
    ok
    Have a Fender 2-point, Wilkinson 2-point and a G&L 2-point. All floating. All stay in tune really well.
     
    greezy strings likes this.
  19. jbylake

    jbylake Fabulously Famous Nobody Silver Member

    Messages:
    2,030
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2019
    Location:
    N.KY/Cincy
    Just have it blocked with a piece of wood. Works perfect, very cheap and requires no expensive gizmo's and can be undone with no modifications to your guitar. I get mine blocked by a tech/luthier that I do business with. Not a big expense.