Unknown guitars!

Dave1794

Strat-Talker
Oct 14, 2013
148
Scotland - Glasgow
Hola!
Through exacerbating the search button on my google page, I’ve found lots of stuff on my guitars and gear. But this got me thinking, how much do we all REALLY know about the guitars we own? For example, I have a Grant branded Les Paul copy that was made in Japan but sold exclusively in Scotland (so I’m led to believe) sometime between mid 1960 to 1980 because the man who imported them was called James Grant and he sold them in his music shops.
I could definitely use some help looking up my other ones, for the specs and story behind them. Ie, where they come from.
I’m struggling to look up the serial number of one of my guitars I believe it to be a Tokai, possibly a Rockinbetter. It’s a Ricky copy anyway. But if anyone can help I’d happily provide pics and serial number. likewise, if I can spread any knowledge I happily will for those that may need a fresh set of eyes on the case.
thought it could be a cool hive mind side project.
 

nungesser

crash into your windshield of love
Apr 28, 2014
9,051
Ireland
kind of fun chasing down guitars with unpublished histories , I was able to date an EKO acoustic I got from a friend because it had a badge from a guitar store in Northern Ireland with an address, The shop changed address after the building was bombed so it gave me a definitive date
 

Dave1794

Strat-Talker
Oct 14, 2013
148
Scotland - Glasgow
kind of fun chasing down guitars with unpublished histories , I was able to date an EKO acoustic I got from a friend because it had a badge from a guitar store in Northern Ireland with an address, The shop changed address after the building was bombed so it gave me a definitive date
That’s ace! Little details can be such a give away sometimes! Satisfying to know you got a date, not so satisfying that the shop was bombed. That’s a bit on the dark side. But handy history none the less!
 

Lonn

Mod Admin
Staff member
Jul 6, 2014
18,639
Carmel IN
Nearly 20 years ago I bought a box of bodies and necks for $50. I was new to guitar at the time and knew almost nothing, but I knew enough that one of the Strat necks was something special. it was a very well worn maple neck and had Philip Kubicki and another name that now escapes me on the heel. Though the internet I was able to track down the first name and also Kubicki basses. I managed to get hold of the other guy via phone and he said he'd worked for Phil Kubicki in the late 70s and early 80s and he gave me a rundown of just who exactly Phil Kubicki was in the guitar world. He then gave me Phil's number and lo and behold he answered the phone the first time I called. He was very gracious and asked me where I got the neck and I told him the story. He told me he only made a handful of maple necks and was amazed I had one. Of course I sold it. Just couldn't pass up the huge profit. This is the only pic I can find anymore.

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Dave1794

Strat-Talker
Oct 14, 2013
148
Scotland - Glasgow
Nearly 20 years ago I bought a box of bodies and necks for $50. I was new to guitar at the time and knew almost nothing, but I knew enough that one of the Strat necks was something special. it was a very well worn maple neck and had Philip Kubicki and another name that now escapes me on the heel. Though the internet I was able to track down the first name and also Kubicki basses. I managed to get hold of the other guy via phone and he said he'd worked for Phil Kubicki in the late 70s and early 80s and he gave me a rundown of just who exactly Phil Kubicki was in the guitar world. He then gave me Phil's number and lo and behold he answered the phone the first time I called. He was very gracious and asked me where I got the neck and I told him the story. He told me he only made a handful of maple necks and was amazed I had one. Of course I sold it. Just couldn't pass up the huge profit. This is the only pic I can find anymore.

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That’s really cool! Shame there isn’t more pictures, but a good story!
 

Dave1794

Strat-Talker
Oct 14, 2013
148
Scotland - Glasgow
Let's see your Fakenbacker. Check this out. Very much info about them.

https://www.guitarandbeyond.com/fakenbackers/
Looks like a good reference point, I’ll have a more in-depth read in the morning as I’m about to go to bed (UK)

The bridge pickup has been changed but I still have the original. It had the same “toaster” casing. I think I saw a similar one a while back that was a John Lennon tribute or something. If I find the link I’ll post it.
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Intune

Most Honored Senior Member
Jan 14, 2021
5,577
Edmonton, Alberta
I have one of those type of unknown origin guitars. One of those so and so built and traded to so and so for hand built guitar amps. Oh it’s a prototype of a broadcaster built as a trial back 2001 and never followed through. I wish I had the actual story behind it and provenance to go with it. Sure is a one of a kind broadcaster and it ended up here in Edmonton, Alberta!
 

Dave1794

Strat-Talker
Oct 14, 2013
148
Scotland - Glasgow
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I have one of those type of unknown origin guitars. One of those so and so built and traded to so and so for hand built guitar amps. Oh it’s a prototype of a broadcaster built as a trial back 2001 and never followed through. I wish I had the actual story behind it and provenance to go with it. Sure is a one of a kind broadcaster and it ended up here in Edmonton, Alberta!
That’s pretty cool! I’d like to see that!
 

Intune

Most Honored Senior Member
Jan 14, 2021
5,577
Edmonton, Alberta
I’d love to solve the mystery that’s for sure. It’s no home built broadcaster so that’s why I’d love to know.

So I bought it as a supposed 2001 master built fender custom shop broadcaster prototype built by Chris Fleming. No paperwork work, nothing. It was built as a prototype to maybe start reissues of the broadcaster. Sure ok. Anyway heres the spec list and why I decided to jump on it. Like I said it’s not a regular Joe home build from these specs.

-1 piece ash body, real thin nitro
-quarter sawn maple neck no truss rod
Huge V shape and straight as any of my truss rod fender necks
-Alan Hamel wound pickups, was working at fender during that time
-the body has router pin hole filled with dowels, no cut out for easy wiring and no truss rod access.

It weights a dead even 6lbs and is just insanely fun to play. I put the wiring back to what a broadcaster would have come like since it’s been changed over the years. Also I have no clue if the pickups have been swapped out from the supposed Alan Hamel set. C02D558A-520B-43D4-A129-9EBA450D6F8C.jpeg A58B2CCE-8DA1-42BF-A4CD-B5BB3E420E61.jpeg 9A3E5C10-C95F-42E0-99E9-96D388FCB3AB.jpeg 009AC7A0-66E4-4F44-A4D5-0B3B2811942B.jpeg D239D4C9-CB09-4B8C-8783-495CC47A5E53.jpeg 5E69EB18-CE43-4748-BFFA-B76D33A45AAB.jpeg BAFC2B3F-08DB-4219-B8C5-52FA60F2FB55.jpeg 972E4281-8CDF-4B0D-AA6C-8259A0B2909E.jpeg E47F9243-3453-46A9-90A1-B211C8E52B00.jpeg
 

Guitarchaeologist

Master Spuddler
Silver Member
I’d love to solve the mystery that’s for sure. It’s no home built broadcaster so that’s why I’d love to know.

So I bought it as a supposed 2001 master built fender custom shop broadcaster prototype built by Chris Fleming. No paperwork work, nothing. It was built as a prototype to maybe start reissues of the broadcaster. Sure ok. Anyway heres the spec list and why I decided to jump on it. Like I said it’s not a regular Joe home build from these specs.

-1 piece ash body, real thin nitro
-quarter sawn maple neck no truss rod
Huge V shape and straight as any of my truss rod fender necks
-Alan Hamel wound pickups, was working at fender during that time
-the body has router pin hole filled with dowels, no cut out for easy wiring and no truss rod access.

It weights a dead even 6lbs and is just insanely fun to play. I put the wiring back to what a broadcaster would have come like since it’s been changed over the years. Also I have no clue if the pickups have been swapped out from the supposed Alan Hamel set. View attachment 464002 View attachment 464003 View attachment 464004 View attachment 464005 View attachment 464007 View attachment 464008 View attachment 464009 View attachment 464010 View attachment 464011

Have you tried contacting Fleming? I just watched a 2007 vid where he is being interviewed ( ) in which he says 1) Teles are his favorite guitars and 2) he started at the CS six years earlier (in 2001). He also talks about winding his own pickups in the vid. If that's the case, it's very possible that he built that guitar before getting the CS gig. According to his LinkedIn account (https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-ward-fleming-b2b18a28/ ) , he started with Fender as an Apprentice Master Builder in August 2000, but he also lists himself separately as a freelance guitar builder until 2001. Perhaps this was a personal pre-CS job build.
Worth an email to find out I'd think.

It looks like a pretty cool guitar. How is the neck controlled for straightness (I don't see a truss rod)?
 
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Thrup'ny Bit

Grand Master Curmudgeon
May 21, 2010
45,172
Yorkshire
I have a Grant branded Les Paul copy that was made in Japan but sold exclusively in Scotland (so I’m led to believe) sometime between mid 1960 to 1980 because the man who imported them was called James Grant and he sold them in his music shops.
Not just Scotland, they were available here too, late 70s early 80s.

My CSL was made by Fujigen for Charles Summerfield Ltd Gateshead, an importer of Ibanez guitars. I got it new 39 years ago, so I call it an 82, though it may be a little older.

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Dave1794

Strat-Talker
Oct 14, 2013
148
Scotland - Glasgow
I’d love to solve the mystery that’s for sure. It’s no home built broadcaster so that’s why I’d love to know.

So I bought it as a supposed 2001 master built fender custom shop broadcaster prototype built by Chris Fleming. No paperwork work, nothing. It was built as a prototype to maybe start reissues of the broadcaster. Sure ok. Anyway heres the spec list and why I decided to jump on it. Like I said it’s not a regular Joe home build from these specs.

-1 piece ash body, real thin nitro
-quarter sawn maple neck no truss rod
Huge V shape and straight as any of my truss rod fender necks
-Alan Hamel wound pickups, was working at fender during that time
-the body has router pin hole filled with dowels, no cut out for easy wiring and no truss rod access.

It weights a dead even 6lbs and is just insanely fun to play. I put the wiring back to what a broadcaster would have come like since it’s been changed over the years. Also I have no clue if the pickups have been swapped out from the supposed Alan Hamel set. View attachment 464002 View attachment 464003 View attachment 464004 View attachment 464005 View attachment 464007 View attachment 464008 View attachment 464009 View attachment 464010 View attachment 464011
Oh, she pretty! I love that case too! Someone had mentioned writing an email to the guy, I think that’s the best course of action. No paperwork is a bummer but happens with so many guitars. Although this could be the start of it if the email comes back positive!
 

HighwayStar106

Senior Stratmaster
Nov 5, 2018
1,861
United Kingdom
I've got a couple I'd like to find out more about, but I'm particularly intrigued by my Artia acoustic. All I know is what the label inside says which unfortunately isn't a lot to go by. Don't know for sure when or where it was made, though it was sold to me as being 1970s. I'd also love to know who thought blue tuner buttons and the wierd thing on the headstock were good ideas. :D

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Dave1794

Strat-Talker
Oct 14, 2013
148
Scotland - Glasgow
To me your Fakenbacker definitely appears to be a fairly recently made Chinese counterfeit, known as Chickenbackers.
Haha! I like the name, just wish I could find some specs on the old bird. She’s fun to play and feels pretty decent (though she’s no Strat) but I’d like to find out as much in depth on it I can.
 

stratman323

Dr. Stratster
Apr 21, 2010
38,001
London, UK
This thread is getting confusing. Which guitar are we being asked to identify?

If there are any Tokai Rockinbetter (great name!!) guitars out there that haven't been seized & destroyed by John Hall, they might be worth a few quid. That's if you can sell them on eBay before the Rickpolizei get you...
 


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