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  1. Dave1794

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    So from a quick search, Boosey And Hawks ARTIA were Czech made guitars imported by B&H and designated the Excelsior range which was a name they used for many quality student instruments, brass and woodwind under the ARTIA label, coming from the Luby factory that now make Strunal Basses.
     
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    It was more so a thread where we could post some guitars we know little on and the hive could help with the knowledge. But if you want one to focus on, my Fakinbacker would be a great start point . Who was John Hall? I’m assuming a Rickenbacker figurehead?
     
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    That’s cool! That’s the first time I’ve seen the right plate on the headstock for them! The only reason I think rockinbetter on this one as on the back of the original bridge pickup it has a sticker that says rockinbetter bridge on it. I had seen a post saying that not all rockinbetters were made by Tokai, would it be possible for those not made by Tokai to be Gakki or even Fuji gen?
     
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    John Hall was/is the Rick boss. He has a fanatical hatred of any copies of "his" guitars & if you try to sell one of them on eBay he will hunt you down & do unmentionable things to you.

    On the other hand, the bosses of Fender have no problem with you selling a Tokai Strat or Tele as long as you don't use their registered names in your listing. Which is fair enough. Fender & Gibson don't feel threatened by Japanese copies from the 1980s, Rickenbacker do.

    Sounds like paranoia to me...
     
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    All Rick copies disappeared from the racks many moons ago, probably in the very early 80s @stratman323? Even getting used one was a nightmare too as I remember.
     
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    I doubt that. I have never heard of Tokai sub-contracting the manufacture of any of their Tokai branded MIJ guitars. Korean or Chinese - yes, Japanese, no. Rockinbetter was the name used by Tokai for their Rick copies, I've never heard of any other company using that name.

    Though perhaps Tokai made Korean or Chinese versions? I really don't know, I don't get Ricks. I tried one once & hated the flimsy feeling tinny sounding thing!
     
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    He sounds a bit like a children’s ghost story to me . Definitely on the paranoid side of the scale. I can understand the protecting of your original material but if he’s willing to hunt down private sellers for something that was made 40ish years ago, he sounds like a bit of a nosebleed.
     
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    That sounds like a fair summary. :cool:
     
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    He probably posts here. Must check the cornfield...:D
     
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    Going by the serial number alone on my copy it begins CN so it would make sense to assume it’s Chinese right away. I’ll keep digging!
     
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    Don’t forget under the bed!
     
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    I keep my giraffe under the bed, but that's another story completely....
     
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    That's interesting, I didn't find anything like that when I searched. Not sure the word 'quality' is really accurate though. :D
     
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    Young man, you're 18. That means that it's unlikely that you've ever heard of an Avon Les Paul copy. These were the first guitars suffered by the likes of me & Mr. Bit. Hopefully you will never realise how truly awful these "guitars" were. This is perhaps early to mid 70s - before "Japanese guitar" meant quality guitar.

    I feel quite upset at the thought of that Avon. :( I hated that guitar. I think I'm gonna have to go for a lie down now to get over the flashbacks... :eek:
     
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    If the guitar is made in China, perhaps they made the headstock plate too?

    I hate to tell you this but I have an idea that some of the Fender Custom Shop neckplates for sale on eBay are not entirely genuine. ;)
     
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    Just when I thought it was safe to go back in the water...:(
     
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    Well you know what lives in the water...

     
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    Just when I thought the day couldn't get any worse...:eek:
     
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    WHY?!? :’(
     
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    Because, well just because...:D