Valve vs. Tube

Discussion in 'Amp Input - Normal or Bright' started by DMR90Guitar, Nov 10, 2010.

  1. widget

    widget Strat-O-Master

    Messages:
    795
    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Location:
    Ohio
    As you have deduced by now... tubes and valves refer to the same phenomenon. That being said, it mostly depends on you.

    Try out both a solid state (ss) amp and a good tube amp. See if you can discern enough difference to prefer one over the other.
    Also, much depends on available cash for beginning players.
    You can purchase a reasonably good ss amp for much less than its tubed or valved counterpart. Mostly, while you're looking into the differences - enjoy the ride
     
  2. zeeter

    zeeter Strat-O-Master

    Messages:
    796
    Joined:
    Nov 2, 2011
    Location:
    Philadelphia
    Depending on one's goals, if I were searching for a decent amp I would probably get a good Fender solid state like a mustang. Most on here will agree that tubes are where it's at, but there's nothing wrong with a nice solid state amp. Just don't go cheap on it. Or if you do, go cheap in order to save up for a tube amp.

    Tube amps do take maintenance. Plus the tubes themselves can be pricey for the good ones; most amps come with cheap ones out of the box. This is fine with me because I'd rather they put in cheapies than more expensive ones that I don't like and then drive up the price due to the higher quality tubes that I'm going to replace.
     
  3. thomasglide

    thomasglide Strat-Talk Member

    Messages:
    75
    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2011
    Location:
    Arizona
    Look at the big brain on John!
     
  4. thomasglide

    thomasglide Strat-Talk Member

    Messages:
    75
    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2011
    Location:
    Arizona
    More Claudia Cardinale
     

    Attached Files:

  5. Bob priv

    Bob priv Strat-Talk Member

    Age:
    49
    Messages:
    10
    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2017
    Location:
    Florida
    By "Tube" you are actually referring to a "Vacuum Tube", or "tube" for short. The first one was actually invented in 1904 by an English engineer named John Fleming. These first "tubes" actually functioned as diodes, so it became known as the "Fleming Valve" which described its function as "valve" for the control the flow of electrons.

    In 1907 Robert Von Lieben invented the cathode ray tube which could amplifying audio signals. That same year, American Lee Deforest invented the triode "tube". Over the next several years, various improvements were made in the triode and several derivatives such as tetrodes and pentodes were also developed.

    Since these devices are essentially encased in a vacuum tube, the United States, they became simply as "vacuum tubes" which is routinely shortened to "tube". However, in the UK, and much of the rest of the world, they are still commonly known as "Valves".

    Today the terms valve and tube are interchangeable and refer to the same things depending where you are. Marshall amps use "valves" while Fender amps use "tubes" because this is what they are called in the countries where those amps are made.

    What adds to the confusion is that British amps and American amps tend to use different tubes. For example, Fender made many amps over the years that use either 6L6GC or 6V6GT power tubes, while Marshall and Vox tended use EL34 and EL84 tubes. That's simply because those particular tubes are common where those amps are made.

    Someone in the US that owns a Marshall amp may wish to refer to it as a valve amp, but in the US it is more commonly known as a tube amp. They may also offer you some "crisps" (potato chips) or say they need to stop for "petrol" (gas). But those names don't change what they are.

    BTW, this is far from rare to see things that called different things in the UK and the US. For example:
    Gasoline (US) vs "Petrol (UK)
    Vacuum Tube or tube (US) vs "Valve (UK)
    ATM (US) vs Cashpoint (UK)
    Cookie (US) vs biscuit (UK)
    Potato Chips (US) vs Crisps (UK)
    Vacation (US) vs Holiday (UK)
    Flashlight (US) vs Torch (UK)
    Subway (US) vs Underground (UK)
    Sneakers (US) vs Trainers (UK)
    Truck (US) vs Lorry (UK)
    Freeway (US) vs Motorway (UK)
    Trunk (US) vs Boot (UK)
    Hood (US) vs Bonnet (UK)
    plus many others...

    good luck.
     
  6. thomquietwolf

    thomquietwolf Dr. Stratster Strat-Talk Supporter

    Age:
    79
    Messages:
    13,843
    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2010
    Location:
    Peardale CA
    Damn good query...I
    Very
    Very
    Loaded...
    Words N concepts us, wee peepels cannot use here...
    Kinda like....
    Condoms
    Or
    Not
     
  7. STRATA

    STRATA Strat-Talker

    Age:
    67
    Messages:
    103
    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2009
    Location:
    Bradford.UK
    They're both right and they both mean the same thing. Brits call it 'a FEMALE because of the way it works, Americans call it 'a FEMALE'' because of how it looks.[/QUOTE]...........................
    Either way it still has the same meaning 'TROUBLE AHEAD!'..when it short circuits.
     
  8. Ed Storer

    Ed Storer Strat-Talker

    Age:
    70
    Messages:
    424
    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2016
    Location:
    Seattle
    Transistors are just as much "valves" to control electrical flow as vacuum tubes. While I regard the use of the term "valves" as quaint, where "vacuum tubes" is a more accurate description, I've learned to live with the Brit's expressions like "tyres and petrol" as somewhat less precise than those equivalents of the USA - I still understand what's being discussed.
     
  9. jojo68

    jojo68 Strat-Talker

    Messages:
    191
    Joined:
    May 27, 2013
    Location:
    Cydonia,Tx
    What abut the crystal lattice ?
     
  10. Yaralag

    Yaralag Senior Stratmaster

    Age:
    48
    Messages:
    3,146
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2014
    Location:
    Houston, TX
    Well he is only 33:whistling:
     
  11. JeffBlue

    JeffBlue Strat-O-Master

    Messages:
    840
    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2012
    Location:
    Southern California
    Valves...........tubes...........no matter. My amps use either.
     
  12. AxemanVR

    AxemanVR I appreciate, therefore I am... Strat-Talk Supporter

    Messages:
    3,609
    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2014
    Location:
    Minnesota USA
    `
    Not to be s Debbie Downer, but the guy who started this thread was last seen July of 2011...




    `
     
    Mansonienne likes this.
  13. Nadnitram

    Nadnitram Senior Stratmaster

    Messages:
    4,863
    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2017
    Location:
    The Heartland
    Yeah. He started messing with a different kind of tube/valve, and nobody ever heard from him again. Yet.

    [​IMG]
     
    AxemanVR likes this.
  14. Niquel

    Niquel Strat-Talk Member

    Age:
    65
    Messages:
    15
    Joined:
    May 15, 2020
    Location:
    Broken Arrow Oklahoma
    Valves are cheaper than tubes. :whistling: [not]
     
  15. Wrighty

    Wrighty Most Honored Senior Member

    Age:
    65
    Messages:
    6,652
    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2013
    Location:
    Harlow, Essex, UK
    Totally correct. Can’t stop now, gotta get the valve to work!
     
  16. Wrighty

    Wrighty Most Honored Senior Member

    Age:
    65
    Messages:
    6,652
    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2013
    Location:
    Harlow, Essex, UK
    They tried to force the metric system on us, we fought back, and won a couple of concessions. However, we go with 1/4 pounder. It’s a rebellion, masses rising up, fighting the system thing..................or we just went with what McDonald’s sold us.