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Discussion in 'The Effect effect' started by EC Strat-boy, Mar 25, 2019.

  1. EC Strat-boy

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    so I picked up a JHS V2 Unicorn and it absolutely does not get along well with my cry baby. Even if I place it near the end of the chain or anywhere after the wah the signal cuts in and out as if there’s a short.

    If I turn off the wah, no issues at all. If I turn the vibe off, wah works with no issues

    Placed the vibe at the very beginning and it then works fine along with the wah.

    Anyone experience this?

    Wondering if there’s something wrong with the vibe pedal.
     
  2. Stratoskater

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    A vibe should go as close to the front of the chain as possible. Many folks feel the same about wah especially putting it before any dirt. I would however put the vibe before the wah. The issue may be that the peaks an valleys of the signal from the wah and vibe are lining up and canceling each other out.

    I am having a similar issue right now with my JHS Unicorn V2 and deciding where to place it in relation to my fuzz. I have always preferred fuzz very first in line so I can use guitar volume to clean it up but when I use the vibe after the fuzz it has that 80's flanger swoosh instead of the proper throb a vibe should have and when I use the vibe before the fuzz I loose the clean up of the fuzz even when not using the vibe.
     
  3. Electgumbo

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    Haven’t had you guys problem. I normally have my Vibe second in line after the Wah and never have any cancellation issues. I have a Drybell that has been in that spot for a few years and it never had any ill effects. And before that my Deja Vibe played nice with the Wah right before it. It maybe something to do with the Unicorns input impedance. Even my MXR works fine being second in line.
     
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    The only thing I can think of is it having something to do with the unicorn not liking the Cry baby not being true bypass maybe?
     
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    That will show you how Robin Trower has his setup. The rotovibe is the blue pedal btw.
    I edited the link also so that the video begins where you can see his complete pedal lineup.
     
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    Oh the old “bit of wood” video!! :)
     
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    Maybe you guys should call Josh at JHS or email him and see what he says. He’s a pretty nice guy.
     
  8. EC Strat-boy

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    Well it’s a 535Q so it’s true bypass
     
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    I really think that’s what’s happening. Incidentally, I don’t have any problems cleaning up my fuzz pedal with my volume knob with the JHS in front of it

    But it’s a finicky pedal for sure
     
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    A vibe can be a real power hog. How are you powering your pedals?
     
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    Im using a 9V adaptor - the daisy chain type. So 5 pedals are being powered by it.
     
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    I bought a new fuzz tonight (Solid Gold FX Formula 69) and it cleans up fine running after the vibe. I don’t use a wah so I’ve not tried one with the Unicorn.
     
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    Glad you got it fixed.

    I’ve narrowed it down to the 10 dB boost on my wah. When that’s on it shorts out if it comes after it in the chain. Must be down pretty sensitive transitors.
     
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    If you can, run the vibe on a seperate power supply and if that helps.
     

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    Thanks for the tip. I tried it and it helped the volume of the signal overal but didn’t fix the problem. Figured out the 10db boost on my cry baby was overloading it.

    Must be a very finicky pedal if it can’t handle a 10 dB boost.
     
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    So I decided to try a dedicated power supply for the Unicorn last night and wow the difference is amazing! I had been a little disappointed with how thin the Uni seemed to sound unless the intensity was way up and my old Fulltone Deja Vibe did not seem to have this problem. After reading above that vibes can be power hogs I decided to remove it form the daisy chain and boy am I glad I did. Now regardless of the intensity setting it is thick and chewy like a vibe should be and it does not seem to have the slight volume dip I had noticed before.

    I had paired down to two pedals last year so I sold my Voodoo Labs power supply and was using batteries in my fuzz and a one spot for my delay. When I got several pedals early this year I just added the daisy chain piece to the 1 spot and rolled with it cause I had no noise issues or other problems with any pedals. However now that I am running the Unicorn I will be buying another proper isolated power supply. Daisy chaining the Unicorn clearly hurts the sound in my rig.
     
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    +1 on that It makes a huge difference. Makes sense that a vibe would a power hog as it’s significantly modulating tone vs just distorting it. I’m now running an independent power supply to my unicorn as well.
     
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    I have my Unicorn V2 after a Fairfield Circuitry Accountant, Empress ParaEQ, and Vox wah and don't have any issues. I will try the independent power supply thing myself as well just to see if it improves my set up at all....never hurts to try.
     
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    Maybe that's why Fulltones are all 18V
     
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    Not all Deja Vibes are 18 volts... 2 of the 3 I own work fine on 9 volts...
     
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