Vintage vs Reissue pedals

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  1. liam_66

    liam_66 Strat-Talker

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    Found an interesting video. Curious of everyone’s thoughts on vintage vs reissue pedals. I’m not a huge pedal guy. I have an 89 Rat and a new TS9 screamer. And a new octafuzz (which might be my fav).

     
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    Purely subjective in my opinion.

    Sometimes vintage is just a fancy word for old.
     
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    I think it’s also fair to point out JHS, who does the video, is not in the business of selling vintage pedals.
     
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    Pretty much true of most gear. For instance.

    The amount of hand finishing that went into early Fender build virtually assures that some will seem much better to certain players than others. Not all vintage gear is cream of the crop. It is what it is.

    There's also the story told by Forrest White, Fender's Production Manager, about how one of the CBS purchasing wonks bought a load of wire a seller was looking to dump for a bargain price but it was the wrong wire.

    Of course CBS insisted on using it anyway so how many mid to late '60s pickups were wound with this wire, what impact did that have on the tonality of those pickups, and do we even know which pickups were wound with it?

    Myths and theories can make for interesting reading but just how accurate are they?
     
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    soulman969 Most Honored Senior Member

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    Who is? Reverb? Ebay? What did your ears tell you?
     
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    And youtube is also not the source of truth - for anything. You have to discern the truth from many independent sources, not just a singular source, no matter how reliable.

    not to mention the compression in the audio.

    Also, watch his recent deep dive video on the Rat. That will surely upset so many people, because there are quantifiable statements made supported by facts, and not assumptions.
     
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    I couldn't give a rats fuzz;), a pedal is a pedal..
     
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    Took a job in the last century that necessitated a particular flavor of slapback delay. I bought a thing called an Aqua Puss. Mostly because I liked the name...and it did what I needed for the one song I needed it. For about 75 shows. I paid about $50-60 for it new, maybe a bit more. Got done, tossed it in a drawer and forgot about it.

    About 10 years later I'm offered stupid $ for the thing. So I sold it. Not long ago I saw a new one in a shop so I gave it a listen.

    Sounded the same to me as the original.
    Moral of the story; the electrons don't care.

    ( I couldn't find the box for the Aqua Puss when I sold it. But... it surfaced a couple years ago...it's vinage cardboard, lots of mojo...
    $500 firm)


    :D
     
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  9. Will Lefeurve

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    Vintage is the new niche to make money. No matter what material article you're talking about, if Vintage is slapped on the description nine times out of ten the price is elevated.

    Mind you.. being an old guy.. :rolleyes:< I wish that I'd hung on to that worn out stuff I had.. cars, guitars, bikes etc.. I could have sold them for some serious coin.. :thumb:
     
  10. Thrup'ny Bit

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    Vintage pedals need vintage batteries, the new ones just don't sound the same.
     
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    You need to replace them when they're flat you tight git! ;)
     
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    But they don't go flat like they used to. Almost flat batteries were best in the old fuzz boxes.o_O
     
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    Now I didn't know that.. you learn something new every day.. :thumb:
     
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    In some cases older designs will sound different. Question is, can that difference be heard by your ears and is it better?

    For example, I have two Boss CE-5 chorus pedals. One is much older and is analog. It is noticeably warmer, fatter in it’s tone than the newer version which is digital. I’ve always wondered why the same pedal sounded so drastically different. Then the internet schooled me on the change in construction a short time after Ibanez moved production from Japan over to Taiwan. So in fact, the construction between the two varies enough, causing them to sound drastically different. The qualities the older one possesses over the newer one are qualities most guitarist seek. Seems only fair there would be a difference in price too.
     
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    How about if I plug them into a vintage house with Knob and tube wiring?
     
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    More to this than some might think. Wall power was closer to 105-107 volts back in the day than 120. Tell this to a corksniffer who worries about what a three-prong or cap job might do to the tone of that 'vintage' brownface bassman and their heads explode. Cheap entertainment when there's not much else to do.
     
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    Vintage hum!

    And, FWIW, it's the best hum.
     
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    My thought is that a vintage pedal may sound better or worse to you than a modern pedal, subject to the guitar, amp, settings, cables, and other pedals and gear in the line.
     
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    At your voltage or our voltage? :D
     
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    I've seen a similar video from Brian Wampler. He arrived at basically the same conclusions.