We don't need pedals.

Whitster

Strat-Talk Member
Aug 27, 2021
94
Seattle area
I really think this is a silly thing ... i think it's kind of a conceit .. "i don't NEED pedals". It's a humblebrag if not an outright brag. Pedals are just tools. Can people get too into pedals and lose sight of playing fundamentally well? Of course. But you can say the same about getting too into theory, or using too much REVERB (and since most amps have reverb (but two of mine don't) we don't think of it as a PEDAL... but it's still an effect whether you get it from pedal or amp. artificial distinction. Same goes for tremolo, or even EQ in the amp (vs an EQ pedal). heck, even the overdrive in an amp is an effect whether you get it from the amp or not. I am a BIG fan of learning to get a lot of sounds from changing my attack, style, going from pick to fingers and back, playing on different parts of the string expanse, even using a serrated pick (a la the Edge.. and remember Knopfler thinks of picks as a sort of amp in themself). and my favorite guitar is my 56 junior so that's even more minimalist. And of course it's easy to poo poo pedals when your style of song etc. don't "require it". if you want slapback echo a la Setzer or Moore with elvis - pedal. If you want dotted 1/8 note stuff - you need a delay. if you want Andy Summers shimmer a la synchronicity, walking on the moon etc. - you need a chorus. Look, 90% of the time I don't use a pedal either, but I'm also not GIGGING.
 

crankmeister

Most Honored Senior Member
Jul 9, 2020
5,994
Republic of Gilead
They're a tool. Best applied after learning to use the primary tools first.
On that I take your word.

I played on nothing but an acoustic and then one electric with a modeling amp for the first 15 meandering years. Am I better for it? Idk. Am I even any good?

It was reverb and delay that got me into pedals. I guess I hear a lot about gain/overdrive being used to mask player deficiencies. Which I get. But no amount of skill can replace delay and reverb . . . and wahwah. These are tools that make music-making even more fun for me.
 

crankmeister

Most Honored Senior Member
Jul 9, 2020
5,994
Republic of Gilead
yep.
one thing i cant stand is a guitar sound so heavily processed with delay and a million other effects that you cant really hear the main guitar signal.
I get that. Which is why at least one of my amps gets a clean signal at all times if I'm playing with stereo fx.

With delay, though . . . it magnifies-by-multiplying the original signal. So you gotta be at least decent to be using it consistently.
 

Stratattack72

Senior Stratmaster
Nov 4, 2010
1,038
pluton
Not quite sure where I stand on this. I Do use a pedal , but it is to get reverb as my amp's crapped out and one amp doesn't have it . I Play traditional country pretty much all the time so I want it very clean no overdrive at all. I do think you have to really learn how to be proficient before pedals will do you any good . and if you do use them less is more unless you play very heavy rock. I love Marty Stuart and Kenny Vaughan fantastic players , but I do hear some pedals not much but like Vibrato for certain stuff they do . And once heard Marty used a tube screamer for leads. That might of changed though.
 

Nate D

Most Honored Senior Member
Apr 2, 2016
9,754
Philly, PA
They're a tool. Best applied after learning to use the primary tools first.

Yep. I have some great pedals, but 90% of the time it’s just me playing through an amp. To me it’s essential to learn how each instrument interacts with the amp.

yep.
one thing i cant stand is a guitar sound so heavily processed with delay and a million other effects that you cant really hear the main guitar signal.

Yep. Same here. I like to hear the guitar. I’d say my favorite tone is when I can hear the guitar. Doesn’t mean I can tell you it’s this guitar or that guitar, but a good player playing the guitar without a lot of processing in between is my favorite tone.
 

guitarface

Most Honored Senior Member
Nov 11, 2012
8,771
New Jersey
Don't read the title.

Read (and view the videos in) the first post.

It's the difference between Sid and Felicia's world and Kenny and Marty's.

Sid and Felicia had to cover a lot of ground. They asked where Marty and Kenny's pedal were.

That's what the thread is about. Read it. :)

This rig rundown of Sid and Felicia is pretty informative too. For all the ground they cover, sid basically has three boss pedals and a tube screamer.
 
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bluejazzoid

Strats Amore
Silver Member
Aug 14, 2009
8,497
Southeast USA
Pedal effects are kinda like cosplay for tone: sure pedals can be fun, but once you start enjoy playing "in character" more than playing "yourself" tone-wise, then that's when it's time to put them in the closet for a while and play with your axe plugged straight-in.

Pedals can become a trap that's easy to slide into and difficult to escape.

A good guitar plugged straight into a good amp is hard to beat.
 

AntStrat

Dr. Stratster
May 6, 2019
13,221
US
Always been a fan of Marty and his history (pretty impressive)

Here's my question: why isn't he HUGE?

Modern "country" or whatever it is (Tom Petty said 'it's just bad rock with fiddles') are no where near his caliber, not even close.

Marty and his band kick major ass yet still remain true to themselves.

Call it country, call it rockabilly, call it rock n roll, whatever, it's just flat out great music for all.
 


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