Western vs Eastern perspective of history

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  1. henderman

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    in the movie 300 the 7 foot tall god ruler dude basicly said - "we will poke out the eyes of all your scribes, burn your books and erase you from history - and a death sentence given for even mentioning sparta".

    sadly i think that is how we all got most of our "history"

    which i think stinks as all of our pasts and cultures should be cherished imo.
     
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    There is probably a similar dynamic, but reversed, with respect to how the Japanese view the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as opposed to the American view. Setting aside whether one might have been offensive and the other defensive (I think both actions could be argued as having elements of both, but that's another discussion), an attack on one's homeland is going to resonate more deeply with the victim than the attacker. Hawaii wasn't a state at the time of the attack, but for all intents and purposes, it was an attack on America.
     
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    All I know about the Chinese is they had Iodized swords........1500-2000 years ago.......some crazy length of time ago


    How they did it....!?!?!?

    No one knows. If they had that tech......to Iodize metals what else didnt they have. I mean that alone is amazing. No other ancient civilization has this tech. This means they were one of the first that discovered and harnessed the power of electricity
     
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    This and Gladiator or watching movies like Pearl Harbor or whatever......

    Lol
     
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    There is also Historic Amnesia.....


    Where one side doesnt "remember" certain bits of history the same or chooses not to recognize them at all as events....as far as their amnesia is concerned those events never took place.....

    This is the case with WWll with many countries especially the ones that lost as much as the ones who won.....and no matter what especially for those who did the worst of the worst......


    America has huge spots of Amnesia depending on the color of your skin, culture, ethnicity as well. So does China or Japan or South Korea or Mexico or hell probably even Canada.

    Historical differences are one thing but historic amnesia is probably the worst thing members of a society can do. To just ignore, forget parts of history all together, its more convinient that way, especially for the "wrong doers" in history for example the Civil Rights movement in America. Its not enough to know it happened and it keeps happening....its the why?

    And to not understanding the why or full heatedly ignore it or actively try to forget about it? Thats an example of historic Amnesia here in America as much as differences diff people and countries have on takes on WWll and IMO its not a good way to promote progress and development between people and societies. Its best to recognize and see history head on to promote a better world amongst different people of the world and society IMO
     
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    I feel the single biggest thing in the west or single most influential figure that still holds to this day is probably Napaloean Bonapart.

    Many reasons why but damn. We still be clinging to basic things that guy set in to place. He was an Emperor but the people chose him, he spread liberty to other nations and the concept of freedom and basic rights. He was a mad man at times and he ended up loosing in the end but all he did. None of the kings were going to grant people freedom or rights

    Napaloean did. Yes as an Emperor in the processes thousands if not millions died in the Napoleonic wars but millions others achieved freedom, ideas and values that would go on through generations to this day in much of the west.

    He took the ideas of the French Revolution and made them concrete and spread them to the world through force and war but otherwise it may never have been so and we would still have kings or have had them longer vs people running their own governments and achieving freedom and liberty.

    Really feel more than any American or other western anyone. We still live in Bonapartes world not just in the west but throughout. Basic universal freedoms he solidified through the aftermath of the French Revolution and the struggles he had as Emperor.

    We really owe allot to the French in the west IMO, especially America, we may not even be a country as well if it was not for their help lol.

    And while yes Bonaparte was a mad man to an extent that lead thousands if not millions to death in Europe it was all probably necessary in retrospect to establish a rule of change from the old way kings ruled through divine right and the new way with direct contract with the people to form and play a bigger role in actual governance and government and establish more liberty and freedom not just in France but in the rest of Europe.
     
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    Yes and then there’s the deniers. Millions of people killed in recent history, pictures and film of the events. Concentration camps still standing as memorials and yet, how many asshat holocaust deniers are out there? It blows my mind. What level of reality actually exists in their mind every day where you have that much evidence of the event and people still living who went through that? I’ve been to Dachau, it’s sobering.

    And funny that it was never caught in school about “Operation Cherry Blossoms at Night”. Almost as many Chinese and other misfortunate souls died by Japanese hands as all the Jews who died in WW2? Close to 600,000 Asian lives died just in that short of time but on this side of the globe I think very few people have heard about that. All in preparation to kill a lot of Californians. At that time Japan had no problem with bio warfare.
     
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    Yes it's truly amazing how many times the USA won World Wars 1 and 2.
     
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    But never started at the same time as everybody else...
     
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    It wouldn't be one book, written Chinese history goes back to 1600 BC or there abouts, they had written history when parts of the Western World were still throwing rocks at each other.
    It's a vast tale that only grows darker the closer you get to 2020.

    https://archive.org/search.php?query=chinese history

    Also a great read, if you're doing a 30 year prison sentence, is the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire... an easy read at 6 volumes (I personally didn't make it past volume 2).

    http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/search/?query=decline+roman
     
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    Mrs Daddy Phd is a doctor of history. Apparently everything you think you know about history is made up.
     
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    Most is either hoax, or fake news.
     
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    I like to call it a fog. There is still stuff and truth behind a fog.....no matter how much fog there actually is.
     
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    Neither me nor google knows what a iodized sword is
     
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    To say everything is a lie or everything correct are both absurd; intelligent study can pull out threads of the truth, but sadly, you have to make your own efforts.
     
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    Anodized.....lol...sorry....got a B in Archeology....
     
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    They would have been better off inventing carbon steel...
     
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    Those that know history as it really happened, have the most power.
     
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    Which is why the academics and journalists are amongst the first to get rounded up in a takeover.
     
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