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What do I need to change on a Fender Super Champ amp to have the Best Fender Tone?

Discussion in 'Amp Input - Normal or Bright' started by neteel, Jun 7, 2019.

  1. neteel

    neteel Strat-Talker

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    Please help me.
    I have a Fender Super Champ. XD Amp amd I find it a little Cold, not enough fender tone.
    What do I need to change?
    Thank you for your help!
    Mike
     
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    dirocyn Senior Stratmaster

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    Have you tried adjusting the onboard EQ? Turning up the volume on the amp, and turning the guitar's volume to desired listening level?
     
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  3. amstratnut

    amstratnut Peace thru Music. Strat-Talk Supporter

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    I dont think you will get "that fender tone" out of it.

    Ive had mine for 10 years and love it. It sounds like a fender to me. Not as nice as a DRRI or PRRI, but very good.

    So, if youre not hearing Fender, Im not sure what to tell you.

    One thing I will say is that swapping out the stock speaker seems to be a common thing to do. It may or may not get you to "that sound" but its the most common mod.
     
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    I do think a little better definition of terms would be in order. Fender's been making amps for a long time and a lot of their amps sound different from each other.

    It might be possible to dial in some tonal overlap between a Super Champ and a Twin Reverb and a Deluxe Reverb and a Bassman and a Princeton...but each of these amps shines in different ways. When I think about the Fender Champ tone, I think Derek & the Dominoes Layla album. When I think about the Fender Twin sound, I think BB King Live at the Regal. When I think about the Bassman I think Paul McCartney on Abbey Road (okay, I play bass too). These are all extraordinary tones, but not IMO very similar.

    @neteel can you give a few examples of "that Fender tone" that you're going for?
     
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    You need to turn the knobs. ;)
     
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    You would have a hard Time finding a Fender amp that wont give you sweet cleans. Its the driven cleans that are more complicated, the BB King tone, the Freddy king tone the Derek Trucks tone etc... otherwise a stock Fender amp tube/ss is likely to reach desired cleans otherwise a simple speaker swap mighty do the trick. Fender is known to cheap on the speaker quality especially on lower models
     
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    guitarface Most Honored Senior Member

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    It's a great amp but it is not a full on tube amp if that's what you're looking for.
     
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    turn the effects off.....then try using the 2cnd channel.
    for starters, put the treble and bass halfway up.
    then turn the gain all the way down and turn the volume all the way up.
    then slowly bring up the gain to the desired volume.
    doing this should get you a pretty clean tone.
    now you can go through each of the preamp voices and mess with the treble and bass till you get the sound you like
    then you can mess with the effects.
    now, if you want dirty, turn the volume all the way down and the gain all the way up, then bring up the volume to the desired loudness. then do all that other stuff.
    what I just told you are the two extremes of that amp.
    you still have everywhere in between.
     
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    The-Kid Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Its not complicated to get those BB tones you just need to crank it some.
     
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    On my X2, that was sounding awesome just original, I've changed the tubes for Tungsol ones and I've changed the speaker for a Jensen AlNiCo. Also i've placed some iron pieces inside because the baffle was vibrating a little and changed all the screws that seemed not holding the things together enough. Anyway mine is absolutely not COLD. It's too warm. This is the reason I've chosen the Jensen AlNiCo.
     
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    Some interesting opinions, here today.

    The questions:
    1. Does it have the original tubes?
    2. Has a technician adjusted the bias?
    3. What does Fender sound sound like to you?

    These are opinions.

    If the speaker has been broken in with 30-40 hours of LOUD, then it works ok at household volume. Turn the amp volume up and the guitar volume down. Twist bass and treble knobs until it sounds right.

    SCXDs are notorious for being factory set with low bias voltage on the output tubes. This can make the tone sound “cold.” Have an amp tech set the bias voltage to at least 40 MV with the stock tubes.

    Those things should produce good Fender cleans and put you in Princeton territory when the amp is on that setting. The SS preamp does a good job and past that the circuit is a Princeton. If you just have to mess with things, a 20 Watt WGS speaker and NOS tubes will get you closer.

    IMO the tone you want is actually in the amp you have, right now.
     
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    Go into Fuse and adjust the mids. The factory default is set at 9 for most amp voices. I found setting it a bit scooped at 5 for. Most voices was perfect

    Then adjust the bias for each voice in Fuse. Most of the factory default presets have a bias at 0 ie extremely cold and clean. I liked having some dirt so i set most of mine at 50% or half way up for at 75% for the higher gain channels like the Marshall voices

    Hope this helps
     
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    Also play with adding a compressor to your voices as well in fuse. That helps a lot as well
     
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    Different guitars
    My super champ x2 is a completely different beast when I have humbuckers or p90s going though it
     
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    CB91710 This is a Custom Title Gold Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    This.
    These old amps are not at their peak performance at apartment/bedroom volume. They need to be opened up to sweeten up.
    It's not only a matter of driving the tubes... an attenuator will take care of that, but it's also a matter of working the speaker and moving air.
    70db and 110db will not sound the same to your ears even with identical EQ.
     
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    I had a long post put together suggesting the same things, but then remembered the OP has an SCXD. No interface, so no Fuse. Damn it.
     
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    The-Kid Most Honored Senior Member Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Yeah this.


    Crank it some not to get DS. But to get that fat tone.


    Adjust volume on guitar to get the tone just right but ultimately BB tone is power amp tone pushed to give big fat tones yet clean tones.
     
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    The XD doesn’t have Fuse????
     
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    nope ….no fuse...I did pop in nos pre amp tube and nos usa made tungsols (6v6gts) ...adjusted bias to around 40...and replaced wimp speaker with a weber... IMG_1274.JPG IMG_1273.JPG IMG_1268.JPG
     
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    What do I need to change on a Fender Super Champ amp to have the Best Fender Tone?

    Just change the words on the faceplate to say "Princeton Reverb"
     
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