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What does staggered tuners mean ?

Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by ocean, Oct 12, 2015.

  1. ocean

    ocean Most Honored Senior Member

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    Always trying to learn,, not quite sure what staggered tuners mean.. Height of pegs ? The way they line up on headstock ? Something else ? Thanks in advance.. :)
     
  2. Grandturk

    Grandturk Strat-Talker

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    The height is staggered - each peg is lower than the last as they move away from the nut to increase the break angle at the nut - essentially diminishing the need for a string guide on the headstock
     
  3. rfriday

    rfriday Strat-Talker Platinum Supporting Member

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    Do they diminish the need or eliminate it? I put staggered Fender locking tuners on my American Special, but left the trees in place. I'd like to remove them if I can. Thoughts?
     
  4. JABSolstice

    JABSolstice Senior Stratmaster

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    It is designed to eliminate the trees altogether. The thought is that the string trees add tension and friction to the strings when using the tremolo, which in turn causes tuning stability issues. With the staggered tuners, the angle gets greater on the higher strings.
     
  5. ocean

    ocean Most Honored Senior Member

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    Well after a few responses.. My MIA Does have staggered tuners,, however there still is one string tree.. Hmm
     
  6. Guitarmageddon

    Guitarmageddon Dr. Stratster

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    your 2006 wouldnt have staggered tuners Ocean....

    unless they're installed / changed out by a previous owner...

    staggered tuners look like this

    [​IMG]
     
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    ocean Most Honored Senior Member

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    That's what they look like,, also in product description fender emailed me..
    Edit- why the string tree as per previous response..
     
  8. Guitarmageddon

    Guitarmageddon Dr. Stratster

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    Wow, I guess the 2006 american series did come with staggered....

    Well to answer you buddy, there are more than 1 type of staggered tuner....you see you have only 2 heights on the normal kind like in that photo and on your Strat....so a string tree is there only for the high E and B....

    On an Eric Johnson Strat the tuners are more staggered, not just 2 heights there's 3 different heights...so the E and B sit lower than they do on yours....thats why his doesnt have a string tree...

    [​IMG]
     
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  9. JABSolstice

    JABSolstice Senior Stratmaster

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    Thanks for clearing that up. I was beginning to doubt myself for a minute.
     
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    Yeah one of the upgrades when the American standards went to the American Series in 2000 or so is that they got staggered tuners.
     
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    CRobbins Strat-Talker Silver Member

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    Staggered tuners on my EJ.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Antigua Senior Stratmaster

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    I see a string tree in that pic, is it common to have both staggered tuners and a string tree? I suppose it doesn't totally defeat the purpose, but it seems a lot less worthwhile to have both.
     
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    I have a lot of different sets of staggered tuners.

    Some are 4+2, some are 3+3

    On some, the posts are all the same height but the holes are lower on the posts of the higher 3 strings.

    I don't like string trees at all.
     
  14. alanbama

    alanbama Strat-Talker

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    I put staggered tuners 3+3 on a squier standard Strat that came off my '94 Strat Plus and the friend that I got my standard Strat from had put 3+3 tuners on it. The standard had a string tree when i got it but I removed it and the ones off my Squier too. I haven't had any problems without them. I don't like string trees either.:)
     
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    tmcgee Strat-O-Master

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    There are good reasons not to use them. If you do use string trees, the roller type string trees are a better choice. I've noticed a difference when I swap out the stamped metal ones to the roller type. You can also get roller saddles on eBay for about $15.
     
  16. bluejazzoid

    bluejazzoid Strats Amore Silver Member

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    Truthfully, "staggered tuning" really describes the process by which Keith Richards somehow manages to keep from falling while tuning his guitars. :p
     
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    alanbama Strat-Talker

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    LOL! True.
     
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    Gosh, and I thought they were the tuners that Joni Mitchell used for her outrageous tunings.
     
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    Smackythefrog Strat-Talk Member

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    Great post! I wondered this myself. Thanks to th OP for asking and to all who answered.
     
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    CaseCandy Senior Stratmaster

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    I have a 2008 Am Std with 4+2 staggered tuners and a string tree on high EB.

    It was a couple of years before I noticed they are staggered.