What does staggered tuners mean ?

ocean

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Apr 14, 2015
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Always trying to learn,, not quite sure what staggered tuners mean.. Height of pegs ? The way they line up on headstock ? Something else ? Thanks in advance.. :)
 

Grandturk

Strat-Talker
Apr 7, 2011
126
NYC
The height is staggered - each peg is lower than the last as they move away from the nut to increase the break angle at the nut - essentially diminishing the need for a string guide on the headstock
 

rfriday

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Jul 31, 2014
161
St. Louis, MO
Do they diminish the need or eliminate it? I put staggered Fender locking tuners on my American Special, but left the trees in place. I'd like to remove them if I can. Thoughts?
 

JABSolstice

Senior Stratmaster
May 8, 2014
1,735
California
It is designed to eliminate the trees altogether. The thought is that the string trees add tension and friction to the strings when using the tremolo, which in turn causes tuning stability issues. With the staggered tuners, the angle gets greater on the higher strings.
 

ocean

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Apr 14, 2015
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Well after a few responses.. My MIA Does have staggered tuners,, however there still is one string tree.. Hmm
 

Guitarmageddon

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Apr 19, 2014
26,927
Canada
your 2006 wouldnt have staggered tuners Ocean....

unless they're installed / changed out by a previous owner...

staggered tuners look like this

Fender-Staggered-Locking-Tuners-300x200.jpg
 

ocean

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Apr 14, 2015
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your 2006 wouldnt have staggered tuners Ocean....

unless they're installed / changed out by a previous owner...

staggered tuners look like this

Fender-Staggered-Locking-Tuners-300x200.jpg

That's what they look like,, also in product description fender emailed me..
Edit- why the string tree as per previous response..
 

Guitarmageddon

Dr. Stratster
Apr 19, 2014
26,927
Canada
Wow, I guess the 2006 american series did come with staggered....

Well to answer you buddy, there are more than 1 type of staggered tuner....you see you have only 2 heights on the normal kind like in that photo and on your Strat....so a string tree is there only for the high E and B....

On an Eric Johnson Strat the tuners are more staggered, not just 2 heights there's 3 different heights...so the E and B sit lower than they do on yours....thats why his doesnt have a string tree...

strat9_070112d.jpg
 

JABSolstice

Senior Stratmaster
May 8, 2014
1,735
California
Wow, I guess the 2006 american series did come with staggered....

Well to answer you buddy, there are more than 1 type of staggered tuner....you see you have only 2 heights on the normal kind like in that photo and on your Strat....so a string tree is there only for the high E and B....

On an Eric Johnson Strat the tuners are more staggered, not just 2 heights there's 3 different heights...so the E and B sit lower than they do on yours....thats why his doesnt have a string tree...

strat9_070112d.jpg

Thanks for clearing that up. I was beginning to doubt myself for a minute.
 

Antigua

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Feb 28, 2014
4,431
in between
your 2006 wouldnt have staggered tuners Ocean....

unless they're installed / changed out by a previous owner...

staggered tuners look like this

Fender-Staggered-Locking-Tuners-300x200.jpg

I see a string tree in that pic, is it common to have both staggered tuners and a string tree? I suppose it doesn't totally defeat the purpose, but it seems a lot less worthwhile to have both.
 

albala

Dr. Stratster
May 10, 2012
10,389
Hilton Head, South Carolina
I have a lot of different sets of staggered tuners.

Some are 4+2, some are 3+3

On some, the posts are all the same height but the holes are lower on the posts of the higher 3 strings.

I don't like string trees at all.
 

alanbama

Strat-Talker
Jul 25, 2013
316
Birmingham, AL
I put staggered tuners 3+3 on a squier standard Strat that came off my '94 Strat Plus and the friend that I got my standard Strat from had put 3+3 tuners on it. The standard had a string tree when i got it but I removed it and the ones off my Squier too. I haven't had any problems without them. I don't like string trees either.:)
 

tmcgee

Strat-O-Master
Sep 1, 2015
786
Boston, MA
I have a lot of different sets of staggered tuners.

Some are 4+2, some are 3+3

On some, the posts are all the same height but the holes are lower on the posts of the higher 3 strings.

I don't like string trees at all.

There are good reasons not to use them. If you do use string trees, the roller type string trees are a better choice. I've noticed a difference when I swap out the stamped metal ones to the roller type. You can also get roller saddles on eBay for about $15.
 

CaseCandy

Senior Stratmaster
May 9, 2015
2,510
UK/Ireland
I have a 2008 Am Std with 4+2 staggered tuners and a string tree on high EB.

It was a couple of years before I noticed they are staggered.
 


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