What is the story with this type of nut -- through bolts?

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  1. Chatmanx

    Chatmanx Strat-Talk Member

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    Looking at a MIJ Fender with a nut installed using two bolts through the base of the head. Could you tell me more about this one and this type? Seems like an odd thing to do as it weakens a place where necks break. Sorry the photo is dim. It isn't my picture.
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  2. Guitarmageddon

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    That is usually for a locking nut....got pics of the front? It's not an odd thing to do, it's done on several models - and never heard of any of these headstocks breaking.
     
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    Yes. Looks like locking nut but very dim photo. By weakening, I meant that the necks that I have seen that have broken have been at just about that location. Is it aftermarket or did Fender sell them with this type of locking nut?



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    stratelespaul Strat-O-Master

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    Yeah, Floyd type locking nut.
    IME not really a weak point since Strats don't have any real tilt at that point to speak of like Gibsons do.
    Let a Strat fall on it's back, all is still good. Let a Gibson fall on it's back and the headstock snaps right at that point.
    YMMV
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    I've never seen a broken Fender Strat headstock in my life...only Gibson ones broken.....

    Yes, they were stock/factory installed locking nuts.....
     
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    You need to get out more, I've seen a few, most not usually worth repairing. Fender headstocks also split down the tuner holes once in awhile.
     
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    As said earlier that is a locking nut for a Floyd Rose setup. I've installed several of them that way and when you order a nut from Floyd Rose it will come with the two 3mm bolts for that method of installation. The last one I did it to did have a 17° tiltback on the headstock but it also had a scarf joint to strengthen it.
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    Whenever I've come across a broken Fender headstock, it was done intentionally for whatever reason.
    Regarding split tuner holes that usually comes from installing vintage style tuners without drilling a pilot hole for the screws.
     
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    What possible reason could there be for intentionally breaking a headstock?
     
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    Total destruction of the guitar usually in old 80's videos.
     
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    Just for the horror ...

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    Not a valid reason
     
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    I agree but, the fact that it happened quite often validates the.....
    Nevermind,
    Best to all
     
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    AAHHHHH, mAKE IT STOP!!!
     
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    80’s Ibanez RG’s are known to crack between the two screws. That doesn’t mean they break into two pieces though.
     
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    I installed mine that way on my parts caster super Strat, mostly because when I tried to install the top mounting screws, I didn't use the Floyd brand screws (because oddly, the nut doesn't come with them), and one broke off. Given the amount of material I had to remove to get the screw out, I felt the best way to go was to just fill and drill through. I didn't feel like wood filler, glue, wood shavings, etc. were going to hold well, and I didn't trust myself to dowel the neck, so I went with the back mount option.

    Mine is a nice size neck (it's wide-thin, but it isn't as thin as you'd think), and it has a vintage heel adjust truss rod. I'm not sure I'd have done it with one with a headstock-adjust truss rod, or a thinner neck profile. I'd have either doweled it or junked the neck and called it a lesson learned.

    Speaking of lessons learned, don't just use any old screws to top mount a Floyd nut to maple. Because the ones they sell at Home Depot are going to break for sure. I drilled pilot holes, the whole 9 yards. They snapped off like it was nothing. If you're going to top mount, use the Floyd screws or at least know enough about metallurgy to know the ones you're getting are strong enough to hold up.
     
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    yup!!!! The bad cracked one lived as my number one through the costume party known as the 80s ! The other was it’s backup. But they are solid still.
    They are kinda forgotten weapons now.
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    Curious -- because when I broke screws off in mine I resigned myself that I might need a new neck down the line -- you're saying the one with the crack is still stable? Did you have to glue/clamp it?

    Because if that's the worst of it and I can drop some wood glue in and throw a clamp on it, I don't care what the crack looks like cosmetically. If it holds the nut in place and holds tune, that's good enough for me.
     
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    I don't know if it's relevant in your situation, but I've had screws break installing tuners in a rosewood (and graphite) head stock. I believe it was due to rosewood (and graphite) not being very compressible, so the pilot holes have to be just slightly smaller than the screw. I've never had problems with screws in maple head stocks.
     
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    I didn't have a problem with the tuner screws, or the neck mounting screws. My best guess is the cheap crap screws I bought at Home Depot just are not strong enough for anything but the softest pine.

    I should have waited for the Floyd brand screws to arrive. Lesson learned.