Where does - "Inspired by" end and "Plagiarism" Begin?

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  1. misterwogan

    misterwogan Senior Stratmaster

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    I've watched many interviews with great song writers and musicians who often mention other artists who inspired their music, some will admit to taking this homage almost to the point of plagiarism.

    I've also listened to the multi-tracks of great songs and switched off everything except the drums and the bass. In most of them, this renders the output as generic - that song could be anything by anybody (including me). In others, the song is instantly recognisable from just the drums and bass. This could be put down to the unmistakeable groove or the fact that the bass is playing the melody.

    Do you have a line that you don't cross? and if so - where is it?
     
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    It’s up for interpretation. And the “blurred lines” lawsuit has set a precedent where you can lose, even if you have a sound heavily inspired by someone else’s work.. even if the notes aren’t nearly the same.
     
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    Triple Jim Guy Who Likes to Play Guitar Silver Member

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    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
     
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    I never learn a song and then use the changes, but I sure will listen to something then see what has been put in brain storage. My assumption is that I am not really a good enough musician to copy stuff, therefore my stuff will be significantly different from things that inspire me.
     
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    Sarnodude Most Honored Senior Member

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    To my way of thinking, if I play a cover song in my bedroom, no actual money exchanges hands, so no theft occurs.
    However, if I play that same cover , or some facsimile in front of 50,000 fans at Madison Square Garden, that's a completely different argument.
     
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    Let's try a test case.

    A song which was a big hit in the 1980s. Here's the chord structure...
    Verse: I, vi, I, vi and the Chorus: IV, V, IV, V

    I change the verse to: I, iii, I, iii, leave the chorus as is and change the melody. Am I ripping of the original?
     
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    I guess it depends on how much money is involved .
     
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    It depends upon which side wins the law suit. Just ask Jimmy Page:D
     
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    This is a huge can of worms for me.

    This is one of my favorite songs by Tool.


    This was a popular song by the Police.



    The beat and Tempo are different, yet to me they are eerily similar to a point.
    what makes them different? They have a totally different "feel" to them And that is before we take into account Tool's love of using 30 different weird time signatures...in a single song. Though, "right in two" is a bit of an exception.

    I really don't think Adam jones was trying to rip off The Police. I think "message in a bottle" may have gotten "stuck in the buffer" so to speak.

    Vanilla ice? Yes we can all point to that and say that was ripped off.
    But what about vaughn and "voodoo chile'"? was that a rip off? no...He never even suggested he wrote it.


    what if wee have a song that uses 6 sequential bass notes from another song in the same timing, but everything else is different? I am not even talking about a Bass solo (primus) Im just talking about regular bass line. If the rest of the song is notably different in feel, tone, timing, genere etc...

    how many pop songs are written using the same 3-4 chord progressions?

    Ever heard this?



    Sing it on top of this. only slower.

     
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    My sweet lord, I have no idea.
     
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    Even with Tool and the Police sat together on this page (which is quite suggestive) I don't naturally think of the being associated in any way. I suppose it comes down to this: If nobody says that one song is a rip-off of another - then it isn't. Even if it is...
     
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    I am not sure what you mean by "suggestive" in this context, but okay.

    My point was to illustrate that similarities will occur naturally, especially with the amount of music there is combined with the quick availability of it. Since these two song were written, the internet has proliferated and I can see the issue becoming far more prevalent. With this tendency, the lines can easily become far more blurred.
     
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    You placed the two songs together and suggested that there may be similarities between them. That is suggestive. If you had just featured the Tool track and posed the question: "Which other famous song does this remind you of?" then that would have been passive.
     
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    The facts are that it happens .

    Who does anything about it ?

    Lawyers of artists .

    Fire up the algorithm search we need another couple million :rolleyes::whistling::confused:o_O:sneaky::rolleyes:
     
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    Tom Petty had one of the best takes on this.
     
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    Huge lawsuit over George Harrison's "My Sweet Lord" copying "He's so fine" by the Chiffons. Harrison ended up owning "He's So Fine" after years of litigation.

    "Good musicians borrow, GREAT musicians steal." I made that up.;)
     
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    I made that quote up years ago ..you copy cat ....
     
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    Sue me.:p
     
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    And who can forget CCR suing John Fogerty for sounding like CCR?:whistling:
     
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    Geeze I hate to do that but ok , if you wanna settle out of court for say $5.50 I’d consider it.
     
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