Who invented shredding?

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  1. Scott Baxendale

    Scott Baxendale Senior Stratmaster Gold Supporting Member

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    Beware of Mr. Baker is hilarious! He punches the filmmaker in the opening sequence of the film. Kofi gets interviewed shirtless in the film too. I played with Kofi for over 2 years. Ginger was crazy, but also funny and cool and just had a DGAF attitude about everything. Before Ginger left Denver and moved to South Africa he did a show with jazz great Ron Miles and it was incredible and Ginger was unbelievable that night. He was so in the groove and his dynamics were insane. He also had horses so he could play polo and after the weekend polo event that would have a jazz jam. Those were also really cool.
     
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    Scott Baxendale Senior Stratmaster Gold Supporting Member

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    Kids and coke!
     
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    This is excellent work exhibiting the possibilities of human potential. See we all can just "get along" ( not in the hop along Cassidy / Roy Rogers getting along but....... )

    So then....
    Sub Shredder classifications or let's say genre's..............
    Nominations could be made for well...nominees for shred genre's that would need to be established.

    I nominate EVH in the Boy Band / Pop category.

    Ok now JUMP!
     
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    Ginger Baker on the loose in Denver! look out Denver.

    Those polo matches got him in a bit of hot water with his jam mates there as polo was a pass time of the oppressor classes.
    But there was some cool beats laid down there in those clubs .Mr Baker also made a cool comment about Jack Bruce who had claimed to write a cream song that was in ?/? time I forget what ....disparaging Mr. Bruce's musical talents...something like Jack Buck wouldn't recognize.......

    There also is a record released..... African Force...has Ginger on the cover pic at his drums and two dogs in the background do the doggy style bit.

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    No...you misunderstood. Roth had nothing to do with Ed's guitar playing prowness. My point was that Roth had very much to do with Van Halen's success, and without Roth's antics as the front man, Van Halen might have gone the route of just another glam/hair band like White Lion with Vito
     
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    The big question….

    Do we really need to know who invented shredding?
     
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    I don’t agree. Van Halen did fine with Sammy and would have done great with any decent rock singer. Just my opinion. Who wrote their songs? It’s always the song first.
     
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    Allan Holdsworth was one of those rare musicians who, while definitely being a part of a scene &/or tradition,
    transcended all categories by not just being truly, uniquely their own self, but also having an original concept
    for writing and playing music.

    Thelonious Monk would be another one.
     
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    I believe Roth was responsible for the songwriting.
    It was up to him to apply melodies and structure to Ed's random riffs.
    With Hagar the riffs stayed the same but the songs went downhill. IMHO
     
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    You're putting the cart before the horse. Yes, VH did FINE with Sammy, but they did GREAT with DLR. And without the 12 years with DLR which propelled them to GREATNESS, Sammy might not have had any interest in joining. It's all speculation anyway, .....
     
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    Look at Eric Johnson. He could have had a massive major league rock career had he ever hooked up with a great singer and recorded great songs. My point was not that Sammy came after, but that they would have achieved the same success with a different but equally good singer singing THOSE SONGS. It’s the song first. It’s the Van Halen songs that make them bigger than Joe Satraoni, not DLR’s persona.
     
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    The answer is no. The more important question: who is now taking it to the next level?
    Tosin Abasi.
     
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    Ritchie Blackmore.
     
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    Child In Time.
    Made In Japan.
    Recorded live in 1972.
    Way before Satriani, Malmsteen, EVH, etc, etc, etc. :whistling:
     
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    EVH, no doubt. Yes there were tons of fast players before, and in several genres, but EVH put it on the map.

    So many players heard Eruption and didn't know exactly what they were hearing. They had to know, they had to figure it out.

    He certainly wasn't the fastest ever, never did sweep picking, but he opened up everyone's ears and eyes and set the stage for the shredders that followed.