Why are 50's Martins less expensive than 50's Fenders?

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  1. EC Strat

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    I love blues and I found a D 15M which I’ll never part ways with.
     
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    Pretty sexy for a 75 yr old broad
     
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    Sad to see Brian Kimsey no longer accepting work, but he's getting up there in years. A brilliant luthier well respected in the Martin community.

    This is the mod I did on my $2300 HD-28. I did nearly every thing well enough. The cut on the high E was sloppy, but functions well.

    This is from his still functioning web page: http://www.bryankimsey.com/bridges/slotted.htm
     
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    A historically popular Blues guitar going back to the 30s.

    The 15 and 17 series guitars do not get enough historical credit.

    Wonderful, aren't they?
     
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    I played a Gibson Dove and a J45 last week and would not trade the D15m for either one. It punches well above it’s weight

    wonderful guitars!!
     
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    Mahogany has power.

    I think the best Gibsons were the old slope shouldered models, also mahogany back and sides. Still faithfully made today.

    They used a subtle variation of the Martin X brace. And the Martin "belly" bridge turned upside down. Everyone has and does.

    Gibson were pioneers in adjustable truss rod design.

    Martin on the other hand, stubborn in their traditional ways did not start adding single action adjustable truss rods until the mid 80s. Dual action rods are now used beginning sometime in the oughts.

    They had non-adjustable re-enforcing rods made of a few materials. A steel T shaped beam or strips of ebony.

    Think there was a steel beam in the shape of that ebony used as well.

    A 2015 "Authentic" series neck with ebony:

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    Images from that tour: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100052744@N02/albums/72157655775481146/with/19645194976/
     
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    Damn. Just shows there is nothing like holding one in your hands before you buy.
     
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    Checking my prior post: should read PRE war Martins..... whoops!!!
     
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    I have to be completely honest, I never understood the attraction to old acoustics. I certainly love playing acoustic and love the sound of my own guitar, but I just never thought there was much more to them. The passion for old Martins in this thread has made me realize I'm way behind. Clearly there is a great depth to this appreciation and I only just realized it now.
     
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    Thank you Bob. I assure you, Dad beat up the back as well.

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    If there was a market for reflec'd Martins I'd be on it.
     
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    @StratoMutt I have to say, I read all your posts with a heavy British accent, and pictured you sipping a cup tea with your pinky out... :D Enjoyed reading all of that!
     
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    Bought both of mine sight unseen off of the interweb. I bought by price. A not so secret about a Martin is that dealers can offer a 40% discount over MSRP from Martin. I found a dealer willing to play a year apart. Could not be happier with either purchase.

    The standard discount is ~20% or so. Keep looking. The 40% are out there. Martin employee discounts are 50%. Wish I lived closer. I'd gladly sweep the floors just to work there.

    The day I brought the 12 string home. Could have dusted it off a bit... I love the way the grain goes dark, light dark then the 28 series post war purfling center strip. Stunning!

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    I do use a bit of UK speak in my posts at times as it just looks elegant. I blame that on Top Gear UK.

    I am not a true cork sniffer as I have read many. I do have a decent knowledge of Martin history as it has always fascinated me. Going to the town where a groundbreaking guitar design originated is humbling.

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    Many a sniffer there!

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    Some of the British supposedly call pre-war Martins "The American Stradivarius". I'm not sure I'd go quite that far, but what other company has been making the same instrument in the same region, family owned for that length of time?

    I'm fortunate to have grown up with the legend close enough by.
     
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    The Zildjian family has been making cymbals for a very, very long time. Since 1623, I think. It’s amazing.
     
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    Hold on...

    I'm having a moment. ...
     
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    Wow. Mahogany?
     
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    There is the acoustic only aspect. I'm far from convinced solid body electrics get significantly better with age simply because the wood is older. Time will tell on that one. Brazilian fret boards? Uh, no. Visual only and very subjective.

    We know acoustic stringed instruments do age well. Far from fully understood, but agreed upon.

    In the meantime, I'll state there has been no better time to look for a new Martin that suits your desire. I've been plugged into the community for nearly 20 years.
     
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    Also affectionately known as the Fudgecicle. All 'hog except the fretboard.
     
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    Not sure but my wife bought this GPC 15 ME the other day. Has Fishman electronics in it. It is so cool! Played it through an early 90''s Trace Elliott...it sounds like a much older guitar. Love this one! 26567.jpeg
     
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