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Discussion in 'Sidewinders Bar & Grille' started by Stratafied, Aug 7, 2021.
I don’t know, I’m talking about minor stuff, color and neck choices.
I think he was coming at it from the manufacturing side.
Reduce waste and cost by making it modular.
Yea but he still intended for us to just be able to replace a neck if we needed/wanted to. I mean... It's 4 screws. Not much there to mess up. At least not for me, anyway. But then everybody isn't me, either. Meaning what comes easy to me may not come easy to others. I forget that sometimes. Just because I find something easy or simple doesn't mean everyone will. Some people may be stumped by things that seem simple to me or vice versa.
Oh, I think the people here would do fine.
But the general public, maybe not.
I should have said this first (fwiw):
The place I used to work at used a similar manufacturing system to Fender (a system called SAP).
In this system every part has a part-number, and you create a bill of material from all the numbers.
You can have subsets of bills inside of bills too. Ideally you would have a drawing for every part.
So a particular model Strat probably has a top level number, with lots of part numbers (or bills) in it.
All this is integrated with purchasing, sales, manufacturing, etc.
Unfortunately this system is awkward for one-off orders.
Because you would have to create a new bill for each order, and that eats up a lot of data entry time and clogs up the system.
We struggled with this when customers wanted to order something with their logo on it.
It’s frustrating because you know it would be simple to just assemble the parts, ship it and have a happy customer. But the system makes it difficult and costly.
I didn't realize the Pro II's were that affordable. I definitely need to keep up with the times.
I agree with this assessment. I was looking at mustangs a few months ago, and I couldn’t believe a Vintera was offered in only like 3 colors and not even very good colors. I do think having the ability to sort of “special order” a certain spec (within the basic specs of the range) would increase the price a small bit, but it would be nice to have at least a handful more options. Certain ranges just have so few choices that it entices me NOT to buy.
Fender, Gibson, Gretch, Guild, Rickenbacker, Carvin, Charvel (Jackson didn't start until the 80s)... Today, several of these have been gobbled up by Fender.
So ya, there were more than Fender and Gibson selling US-made solid body electrics. As today, they were the largest, but the market has always been dominated by them. The difference was, while we had a gazillion custom builders, we didn't have custom builders with national recognition like Suhr and Andersen.
Only a few models? They had more than they have today:
10 guitar models - Starcaster (semi-hollow), Jazzmaster, Telecster Deluxe, Telecaster Thinline, Stratocaster, Telecaster Custom, Telecaster, Mustang, Bronco, Musicmaster
6 different Steel guitar models including two double and one triple-neck options
5 bass models - Jazz Bass, P-Bass, Telecaster Bass, Mustang Bass, Musicmaster Bass.
11 flat-top acoustics
16 guitar amps
6 bass amps
2 PA systems
There were a TON of imported guitars from Japan and Korea, and they were quite playable... not the department-store $40 cheapies, but particularly the Japanese models are still highly sought after, and bring high prices. The "lawsuit" era began in the late 70s with Ibanez, Aria, Fernandez, and others making guitars that were every bit as good as Fender and Gibson at half the price.
My first guitar was a Korean Les Paul copy that I got (new) at a pawn shop for $100 with HSC.
Plywood body, but it was the same dimensions as a real Les Paul... not some slab body that was only an inch thick, and it had a shaped top (heat-formed plywood).
That $100 in '76 would be around $400 today, and yes, today you can get a much nicer guitar for $400 than you could back then for $100
You're priced out of the market because you choose to be a cheapskate
I was making $2.90/hr when I bought my '78 Antigua and Peavey Deuce.
That was over 400 hours... probably pushing 500 with taxes.... 6 months flipping burgers for 20 hours a week.
I'm going to be the Devil's Advocate here, for a moment. Recently, I got that "Perfect Fender",
the MIA, SSS, Ash Body, yadda yadda. Now that I have the "perfect Fender' I'm just noticing deficiencies, which, to my perception, were hard to see, until I had the guitar in hand, and had used it for a while. I guess what I'm trying to say is this ultimate guitar may not be the final solution to GAS, which you may want it to be. Just sayin'. YMMV, tho, so good luck.
I did the Mod Shop thing. I wanted a hard tail, noiseless singles and locking tuners. You just cannot find that at the local shop. The one thing I could not get from the Mod Shop was an ash body; alder or mahogany only.
Exactly, and if I want it , I’d be willing to pay a little more.
Under $2000. And with a case, a basic mod shop is $2000 and that might not include a case.
Seems like a major mod shop price increase for a minor amount of labor on Fender's part. But, that's their call. It's their shop.
General Motors used to offer the ability to order any of their cars with any options or colors or interiors you wanted. Neither GM or the dealers were very fond of it. Dealers didn't want to hassle with the delay – they wanted to sell you something on the lot that would turn the dollars today and end the loan on one of their in stock vehicles.
There wasn't much of an up charge as I recall. I was surprised in that I couldn't figure how they build a one off car without a significant amount of labor involved. Makes a mod shop guitar look like a gimme.
My mod shop....no rails unfortunately.
It won’t be much longer before Fender will “print” guitars on demand. They will eliminate the guitar store and go strictly online with a model similar how ordering converse Allstars is now. You will pick your body, neck, pickups, etc and it will be built by a robot as soon as you enter the data. I don’t like this model but that’s where it’s going. GC will be history at that juncture.
Leo meant for necks to be swapped easily but he was all about efficiency and would not have been cool with changes in the standard production line without up charge, just like Custom colors were in his day. Leo was not about having tons of choices as that makes a line less efficient.
Here in lies the problem.
You want to pay a "little" more, Fender wants you to pay "a lot" more.
The consumers goal is to get the most possible product for the least amount of money.
The producers goal is to charge the most money for the least product.
You’re probably right, I was hoping my idea would add jobs for humans.
Did not know of this.
Very limited choices imwo.
The robots are already here. The new jobs for humans will be for guys who fix the robots.