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Wiring: could someone explain this?

Discussion in 'DIY Effects Forum' started by StratPlus97, Feb 2, 2017.

  1. StratPlus97

    StratPlus97 Strat-O-Master

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    Could someone explain this wiring to me? I'm trying to do the same set up.

    I understand how the wiring off the IEC works.

    Are they doubling the Black(hot) wire at the switch? I tried that and it ended in smoke...literally[​IMG]
     

  2. StratPlus97

    StratPlus97 Strat-O-Master

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    Anyone out there????
     

  3. Cerb

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    That's a power plug. What exactly are you trying to do? Rewire an amp?
     

  4. StratPlus97

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    Sorry, thought I mentioned that.
    This is a setup for a pedalboard. To be used with my Power Plus 2
     

  5. Cerb

    Cerb Senior Stratmaster

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    Yes, the black cables are doubled on the swirch. One goes to the lamp and one goes to the power plug.

    The idea is that the current goes from the receptacle to the switch, if the awitch is off nothing happens but if the switch is on the current will flow through the switch and through the lamp which will... do its thing.

    Edit: A clarification. The lam appears to be and should be wired in parallel with the plug that goes into you pedal board power supply. Make sure all your hardware is rated for the correct AC power.

    Another thing to note is that the switch in the picture isn't grounded.
     

  6. StratPlus97

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    I did this but ended in smoke with the pilot light.
    Does it matter which side the hot wire goes on the pilot? Is that it?
     

  7. Cerb

    Cerb Senior Stratmaster

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    That shouldn't matter if it is indeed a "lightbulb" rated for 230 V most of Europe) or 120 V in North America. You sure it's not an LED? Those tend to release the magical spirit if you mistreat them. Was it the lamp or the cables that went whizzz?
     

  8. JPA1968

    JPA1968 Strat-Talk Member

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    Are you sure the pilot light is rated at 120v AC?

    If you have an automotive light, it will be 12v. D.C. You want 120v AC.
     
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  9. StratPlus97

    StratPlus97 Strat-O-Master

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    Ohhhhh boy. That's it! I got it at AutoZone. Ooooops.

    Thank you so much. I've been trying to get an answer for this for a while
     

  10. Hairy Bear

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    American black/hot = euro Live or brown. American white/cold = euro Neutral or blue. American green ground/gnd = euro Earth ⏚ or green with yellow stripe.

    Looking at the supply socket (the one with exposed pins) from the back with the central ⏚, E or gnd pin at the top, Hot/black L is on the right, white cold/neutral N on the left.

    Black from supply input socket hot or L terminal to one side of the switch. Two blacks from the other side of the switch, one to the output plug and the other to one side of the lamp. White from supply socket N to the other side of the lamp and on to white of the output plug. Green from supply socket gnd, E,or ⏚ to green output. Ensure the lamp is the right voltage for your supply, US uses 120v, europe uses 230v. Don't use one from an auto supply store, it'll explode.

    If you have a continuity tester check that the pins of the plug connect to the correct pins of the socket before powering up, also check that there are no inadvertent shorts to ground.

    Of course, if I've misunderstood your intentions much of this doesn't apply, and if that is not a lamp but a fuse it's in the wrong place and there will be a bloody great bang.
     

  11. Hairy Bear

    Hairy Bear Strat Fumbler Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Whoops! Problem answered while I was typing. Sorry, although I'm long retired I can't help lecturing. ;)
     

  12. StratPlus97

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    :) no, Thank you, that's awesome...I'm still trying to learn here.

    So, is this what I need?
    A lot of these don't give the ratings but I'm assuming they are OK since they are for amps.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/401154454954

    Could I use this also?

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/171419399952

    Also, what does it mean when it says both AC and DC?

    Thanks for the help!
     

  13. Armour

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    Do you really need the light? Your gonna have plenty on your pedals.
     

  14. Hairy Bear

    Hairy Bear Strat Fumbler Strat-Talk Supporter

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    Make sure it's 120v, that's very important. Don't worry about the 12v AC/DC bit, it means it'll work on stepped down mains or from an auto battery. 12v lamps are sometimes used in tube amps, connected to the tube heater supply. Not suitable for direct mains use.

    Your first ebay listing is 12v, it'll go up in smoke like the one you already tried, but the second one is AC 120v LED so should be ok. LED is Light Emitting Diode, a type of lamp that uses less power and runs cooler than a traditional filament lamp. You need to read LED details closely as a lot of them are DC only and although the voltage is right AC mains will fry them.
     

  15. Rockape

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    Last edited: Feb 5, 2017

  16. StratPlus97

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    The only thing we actually NEED is food and water.
     

  18. Humulus

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    For future readers... the above cable is deadly. Low voltage guitar and pedal electronics are one thing... when you start messing with mains voltage you really need to know what you're doing. You can kill yourself or worse someone else messing with your gear.