Seymour Duncan SSL-5 or...

[Jason99]

Oh please. The SSL-5 is a spec match for the SSL-1C. The only reason they have different names is because one was "custom made" and the other was full production. At $130, it's sucker bait.

I guess I'm a sucker according to you. Thank you for making a moronic generalization about the intelligence all of us who have chosen to purchase the pickup.

 

[Antigua]

I guess I'm a sucker according to you. Thank you for making a moronic generalization about the intelligence all of us who have chosen to purchase the pickup.

It's the same pickup, 43 AWG spec'd to 12.9k ohms, around staggered A5 poles. One is wound and initialed by "MJ", while the other is wound someone or something else. An SSL-5 costs $50, so you're paying $80 additional on account for the circumstances of the pickup's creation. Judge the situation however you see fit.

 

[Jason99]

It's the same pickup, 43 AWG spec'd to 12.9k ohms, around staggered A5 poles. One is wound and initialed by "MJ", while the other is wound someone or something else. An SSL-5 costs $50, so you're paying $80 additional on account for the circumstances of the pickup's creation. Judge the situation however you see fit.

I will judge the situation as I see fit. You called me a sucker, I take great offense to that. You've chosen to make an assumption that anyone who purchases that pickup is unintelligent. Or are you using a word that you don't understand the definition of? You don't want to buy the pickup then don't. If you feel it's overpriced, that's fine. Don't sling insults at the individuals that purchase it to use in a Gilmour black strat build. Look at Fender's 1954 accessories kit. It's $60, when all the others are $20. If I'm building a 1954 strat replica, am I an idiot for spending $60 on a part that will make my guitar as authentic as possible? I will not stand to have some yahoo call me a sucker for spending MY money, on what I WANT. By the way, I hold a masters from Berkeley and a Doctorate in psychology from USC. I'd tread lightly on who you call an unintelligent sucker.

 

[Antigua]

The shady aftermarket pickup industry clearly benefits heavily from an informational advantage that greatly favors their intetests.

Knowing what you know now, that you could get equivelent performance for less than half the cost, would you make the same purchase again? Will you double down?

 

[Jason99]

The shady aftermarket pickup industry clearly benefits heavily from an informational advantage that greatly favors their intetests.

Knowing what you know now, that you could get equivelent performance for less than half the cost, would you make the same purchase again? Will you double down?

If I was building another black strat, I would buy the SSL-1c. I would not put another SSL-1c or SSL-5 in another one of my guitars. There are too many great choices of pickups out there, to use the same one. You have to understand that the majority of the people buying that pickup are putting it in a David Gilmour Black strat project. Getting as close to the original spec wise, is part of the fun. I'm not in a financial situation where I have to think about the cost of that pickup over the less expensive production model.

 

[Chont]

I think the fender artist series Gilmour Strat has the SSL5 in it. For the amount of money you pay you'd think they would toss in the 1C. I think one of the differences is the polarity is reversed so you don't have to solder white to ground. I think I'll reverse the leads and save the loot. And I'm about as huge a Gilmour nerd as they come. When I do eventually do my black strat project I'll probably go with the echoes set. I like the idea of tapping it down to about 7k. I kinda prefer his pre Dimarzio FS1 tones anyway.

Then again there's the In Any Tongue tone but that's sort of drifting here.

 

[Antigua]

Back when the SSL-5 was released, early 80's sometime, the Legend of the SSL-1C had not yet become folk lore. Instead they had this naming convention; SSL-1, SSL-2, SSL-3, etc. Had they known of this awesome naming power, they would have certainly called it the SSL-1C from the beginning.

The nomenclature is an interesting relic from a more innocent time, before it was known that if you name a pickup "The Invader" or "Screamin Demon" it will generate more interest than if you give it a cold, alphanumeric designation. The extent to which guitarist are easily suggestible was not yet fully known, hence not fully exploited.

In the same way that cheap recording equipment has enabled amateur musicians in the past fifteen or so years, cheap pickup winding equipment from StewMac has enabled amateur opportunists to try their hand at suckering the guitar modding masses.

 

[Highwaystrat]

The 2006-later fender highwayone/deluxe drive bridge pickup may suit you well, it is a bassy pickup. Fender even has a little chart on the back of the deluxe drive pickups box (deluxe drive pups are the same pups ) hmm let me grab it outa the closet...
k 1-9 the box says treble-5 mid-3 bass-5...I thought I've seen another chart at one time. 1-5 for output it gets a 4.
Box says "highest output of all our single coil pickups."
Alinco 3s.

They are neat pickups. I've told stories about them in the past.

I'm reminded of something Antigua said, I have a set of MIM classic series 70's pickups, I'm convinced they are the same pickups other than the highwayones are overwound, have a flat pole stagger, and different color wires and a few other things I've mentioned in the past.
I once has the classic 70's neck and middle in a strat along with the deluxe drive bridge pup, that was a very cool combination. So ya, these pups are similar.

 

[Highwaystrat]

The classic series are around 6 ohms the deluxe drives are 12 ohms.

 

[Mr. Lumbergh]

I think the fender artist series Gilmour Strat has the SSL5 in it. For the amount of money you pay you'd think they would toss in the 1C. I think one of the differences is the polarity is reversed so you don't have to solder white to ground. I think I'll reverse the leads and save the loot. And I'm about as huge a Gilmour nerd as they come. When I do eventually do my black strat project I'll probably go with the echoes set. I like the idea of tapping it down to about 7k. I kinda prefer his pre Dimarzio FS1 tones anyway.

Then again there's the In Any Tongue tone but that's sort of drifting here.

The Echoes set is my plan also. I like the idea of the tap on the bridge; the SSL is a lot hotter than the pickups used to record The Wall, DSOTM, and Animals.

 

[mabley123]

What is it I'm missing here ???

The SSL 5 is


SSL-5
The ultimate overwound Strat single coil pickup, found in the bridge position of the David Gilmour Signature Fender Stratocaster.

DCR:13.3K


SSL1C

Rated DC Resistance: 12.9k.

 

[Antigua]

What is it I'm missing here ???

The SSL 5 is


SSL-5
The ultimate overwound Strat single coil pickup, found in the bridge position of the David Gilmour Signature Fender Stratocaster.

DCR:13.3K


SSL1C

Rated DC Resistance: 12.9k.

What are you missing? A company that is fastidious about about it's published specs:

http://www.seymourduncan.com/blog/product-news/pickup-comparison-chart

 

[mabley123]

I copied the 13.3 right from their site.

Custom Staggered Strat | Seymour Duncan
www.seymourduncan.com/pickup/custom-staggered-strat


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The ultimate overwound Strat single coil pickup, found in the bridge position of the David Gilmour Signature Fender Stratocaster.

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Mr. Gilmour needed a pumped up sound for his famous Black Strat, so Seymour wound what became the Custom Staggered. It has been, and continues to be, an honor to work with such a legend.The Custom Staggered is a special overwound single coil that strikes the perfect balance between increased output and bouncy Stratocaster tonal character. It will deliver bigger, fatter chords, and will cut through the mix more clearly than a traditional Strat pickup, without losing the sparkle that makes a Strat sound so unique. Single notes will be ... FIND Your
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  • DCR:13.3
  • Magnet:Alnico 5
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[Antigua]

So you did, and?

I guess I'm just not seeing how odd technical mistakes made on the Seymour Duncan website justify the additional $80 expenditure.

Do you have it on good authority that the SSL-5 and the SSL-1C are not the same pickup?

 

[Seymour Duncan]

I will say that I do. They are not the same. I know the SSL-1c is scatter-wound, but for the technical differences, email MJ, and she will explain. BTW, you are also paying for someone like MJ to wind it just like a big musical hero, sign it, and for it to be made specifically for you. For some, that is worth it. Who cares that much about what people spend their money on?

 

[Antigua]

I will say that I do. They are not the same. I know the SSL-1c is scatter-wound, but for the technical differences, email MJ, and she will explain.

The fact that you won't acknowledge 'scatter winding' as a true technical difference is telling.

Who cares that much about what people spend their money on?

LOL, ironic question of the century right there.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/...-David-Gilmour-s-CS-Fender-Strat-SSL-5-bridge

When the so-called SSL-1C, which was a one-off designed for Mr. Gilmour, eventually went into production, it became the SSL-5 Custom. The SSL-5 you buy today is essentially the same pickup as the SSL-1C that Phil Taylor ordered from Seymour and which went into the Black Strat.

- Evan Skopp

It's valiant that you stick up for SD Co. despite apparently receiving little or no actual support from the company.

 

[Seymour Duncan]

So we settled it. I accept your apology. SD out!